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Post by maple365 on Jul 31, 2009 6:00:18 GMT 9
OK. I am a super newbie, but have been secretly lurking for years. (Seriously!) I have a question that I've always wondered about, though. When I was a Civil Air Patrol cadet in the late 70's and went to summer encampments at McChord AFB, we used to in the middle of night often hear this monstrous noise. People said that they were "testing" engines for the F-106s. I had seen those stands that they put the engines in for testing. But, did they really test them at night? I thought we were actually just hearing afterburners of 6's taking off. Still, the sound never seemed like they were moving. I am just wondering if anyone could shed some light on this subject. I have been wondering for so many years.
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Jul 31, 2009 6:10:51 GMT 9
Might have been Test Cell, but most like the Trim Pad for engine runs. I don't know why, but all the Trims I worked seemed to be a night. Hehehe, hearing it is nothing like being there. Especially if you are a JEEP and have never done a Trim job. Definitely an attention getter. AJ Try searching for Engine Trims or Trim Pad.
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Post by az09 on Jul 31, 2009 7:09:58 GMT 9
Most Test Cells were only a 2 shift operation at the most. Unless the shop was low on spare engines. The night time runs (trim pad ) were probably caused by trying to finish up a bird to turn it O / R for the next days flying.
Eventually the AF built Hush Houses to limit the noise of operating engines.
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Post by dude on Jul 31, 2009 8:46:10 GMT 9
Same at Langley. Test cells usually ran during the day. Trim pads were usually busy on swings and mid shift.
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Post by Gene on Jul 31, 2009 10:11:53 GMT 9
i was the base photog at mcchord in the mid '70's. they used to take a jet and chain it down over in the 318th fis area on echo ramp and lite the fire... i had a photog named ssg anderson who took several good shots of the bird all lit up at night... and yes it was loud... i used to know a cmgt working with CAP in those days, but the name escapes me.
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Post by Jim on Jul 31, 2009 10:32:51 GMT 9
WELCOME MAPLE365................. TRY THIS FOR SOME SWEET SOUNDS www.f-106deltadart.com/j75-motor.htmThe Old Sarge If you can't get the link,copy and paste to google and hit search...........
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Post by MOW on Jul 31, 2009 19:56:47 GMT 9
Welcome maple365 :welcome glad you finally made it in... officially
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Post by lindel on Jul 31, 2009 21:02:46 GMT 9
Welcome!! Like others have said, it was most likely the trim pad. I always thought of that as the sound of freedom. Never bothered me to hear that boom of the AB.
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Post by pat perry on Aug 1, 2009 0:50:37 GMT 9
OK. I am a super newbie, but have been secretly lurking for years. (Seriously!) I have a question that I've always wondered about, though. When I was a Civil Air Patrol cadet in the late 70's and went to summer encampments at McChord AFB, we used to in the middle of night often hear this monstrous noise. People said that they were "testing" engines for the F-106s. I had seen those stands that they put the engines in for testing. But, did they really test them at night? I thought we were actually just hearing afterburners of 6's taking off. Still, the sound never seemed like they were moving. I am just wondering if anyone could shed some light on this subject. I have been wondering for so many years. Welcome aboard Maple! I was in the 456th FIS at Castle AFB, CA 66-68. Our old wooden barracks was right across the street from the flight line hangars where they worked B-52s and KC-135s. It was the last old 1950's barracks to be torn down after I left and all the rest had been located away from the flight line by several streets. Our squadron area was about 1/2 mile away and we could hear the trim pad run ups at night, especially in AB. But nothing was louder for us than the KC-135 engine runups when they turned on the water injection. After a night like that, I had to move the tables and chairs in our room back to their original position. The vibration made them "dance" all over the place. We usually took refuge at the Airmens club or a local bar until midnight when they were forced by local ordinance to keep quiet. Ah, but the sound of freedom is sweet! Pat P. :us_flag
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Post by Jim on Aug 1, 2009 1:17:56 GMT 9
This is one of the most outstanding replies I have received to a personal welcome letter...........
From: R.T. Williams Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:17 AM To: Jim G Subject: Re: welcome
Wow! Jim. Thanks SO much for this. This is such a cool site. It's nice to have people who know what they are talking about respond to stuff. I wasn't lying when I said I've been lurking for years. My brother posts a lot of stuff, and he is the F-106 freak in the family. I am just a huge fan. It was fun to actually listen to the sound. I downloaded them and put them on my computer as startup an shutdown sounds. So, I am very happy. Cheers! R.T.
On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Jim G wrote:
TRY THIS LINK AND TURN THE SOUND UP AS YOU SELECT WHAT TO LISTEN TO.................... WELCOME ON TO OUR FLIGHT LINE AND INTO OUR HANGAR.................. The Old Sarge :drunk :drunk :drunk Thanks RT and come back often The Old Sarge
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Post by Bullhunter on Aug 1, 2009 2:35:11 GMT 9
In the mid 1970's I worked the 318th FIS. My first year was at the test cell which included the fuel/air started cell also.
All of out test cell runs were done on day shift. A few times we worked past shift into swing shift if the test run was close to being done.
I was later transfered to the flightline. We took many-a-jet to the trim pad. Full Afterburner power runs were restricted after 10:00PM till 6:00AM as to not wake up base housing and the local community.
If the aircraft was on the next days flying schedule for a mission then there was a waiver of the restriction.
When I worked graveyard shift I used to love to take a bird to the trimpad that was flying the next day and light off the afterburner. On the cool brisk mornings the base tower used to call me and ask if I could expidite my run-up and get out of afterburner, as they were getting phone calls.
I'm sure you were hearing trim pad runs.
Those were some fun days. :fire_missle_ani
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Post by Bullhunter on Aug 1, 2009 2:37:56 GMT 9
Gene, I've been searching for a 318th trimpad photo for ages. Is it possibe to get a copy og those?
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Post by Gene on Aug 1, 2009 7:53:15 GMT 9
i remember one of andersons photos was used in a base guide in the '75 thru 79 era...
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Post by Bullhunter on Aug 1, 2009 11:08:49 GMT 9
I have the 1974/75 book and none are in it.
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Post by Gene on Aug 1, 2009 14:43:51 GMT 9
ssgt anderson started working for me in '75 . and i didnn't get the fisheye til '76... thats the lense i used on my avitar... so im thinking in the 77 or 8, or 9 edition.. some shots are used several years running if they still apply...i think he used it for the sp's. he lit the jet up and used the star burst filter....he liked those kind of gadgets
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Post by maple365 on Aug 7, 2009 22:34:32 GMT 9
Wow! So great to hear from everyone and get such authentic information. I am glad to have finally made it official. As some of you also said, the noise never bothered me. It was actually quite exhilarating. And, yeah, "the sound of freedom," is about right! Thank you everyone.
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Post by Bullhunter on Aug 8, 2009 2:55:44 GMT 9
maple365 said:
If you think hearing it from the squadron area is exhilarating you can't imanage how exhilarating and thrilling it is to be under a F-106 jet while in full afterburner doing a leak-check or adjusting the fuel control. If you have done it you never forget it.
The two cables we used to secure the F-106 to the in ground hook were about as big around as a base ball. We would tow the aircraft to the trimpad and connect the cables to the main landing gear struts, then pull the aircraft forward with the tug to tighten up the cables.
It was all fun and thrills after that. :fire_missle_ani
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Post by dartmech on Jan 25, 2010 13:52:10 GMT 9
I just found this site, it is great. I was a jet mech at MAFB from Jan. 1963-July1964, then went to Yokota, Japan. I was in the engine shop with Hoppy and Sgt. Manes. Col. Broughton was the CO. Had a good time, but wanted to get away from there as I was from South Dakota. Later. Ole.
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Post by tmbak on Feb 8, 2010 2:54:35 GMT 9
One of the fun things we use to do during night time engine runs at McChord, in the early 60's, was to take a gallon can of hydraulic (5606) and poke two small holes in the top of the can. The guy with the can would stand back by the tail and when the engine operator selected AB the guy would count one thousand one one thousand two and then throw the can in the exhaust flow just as the AB lit off. The view was spectacular and the sound of the can exploding was impressive!!
Tom
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Post by sixerviper on Feb 10, 2010 12:41:37 GMT 9
I've been under the Six many times (usually in the left wheel well checking out the HSA recorder) while in burner. What an experience! What's better, though is standing at the end of the horizontal tail of an F-105 or an F-16 with the burner going and feeling the heat blast. I'd (of course) say the Six's experience is the best, but, alas, the Six has no horizontal tail.
Ever see how far an old stop sign will fly when thrown into a Thud's burner flame??
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