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Post by Bullhunter on Nov 22, 2009 3:42:47 GMT 9
Mt daughter went through USAF basic training in 1999. Things sure had changed in the 28 since I went through. that year my wife and i had layed out our whole vacation to Hawaii. Used air mile credits for our tickets. Reserved and paid for our resort & rental car. Our trip was several months after the scheduled graduation of our daughter from basic training. As luck would have it her entry was delayed and pushed back. Then one day we were informed her graduation was set for the day after we arrived in Hawaii. With everything set, reserved, and paid for it would have been a nightmare to try and change it all on short notice. I have always regretted not saying, "Hell with it all were are going to Lackland AFB first no matter what". Now we always book with a travel agent, just incase some conflict or emergany arises. The travel agent works it all out.
Currently my daughter is a TSgt and is pregnaet with her third child. son-in-law is also TSgt.
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Post by bobdavis on Dec 30, 2009 3:44:14 GMT 9
This isn't a memory. ITS REAL TIME! Last week I found myself at Lackland AFB attending my son's graduation from Basic Training. They had open house in the dorms. Talk about a seriously bad dose of de ja vu. I was there in '73. The dorms haven't changed. The bunks and lockers are the same. Even the day room furniture is the same. They still march around at 0 dark thirty with the little yellow cones on the flashlights. And that old F-82 still guards the parade ground. The big difference? It's now 8 1/2 weeks and they are issued a training M-16 in the first week. With so many Airmen being deployed and embedded in Army groups they are a lot more serious on the physical training. They do a week "in the field" with full packs. Also, do the gas mask/chamber and IED training. So I checked an old calendar and did a little math. Lo and behold with 6.5 weeks training in 1973 and 8.5 weeks of training in 2009, it turns out that my son and I both graduated BMT on March 16th. dude, I was in basic the same time frame. I got out my old training yearbook, it was mostly generic except for a few photos from my flight. My squadron was 3706 and Flight 0202. My TI's are both in the book, TSGT Simpson and TSGT Pike. I was there from Feb. 3rd to March sometime as well. Then off to Chanute, Il for school. Man it was cold in Rantoul, Il that March too.
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Post by oswald on Dec 8, 2010 3:51:09 GMT 9
I've been reading the other posts and thought I'd add my two cents for what it's worth. I entered the Air Force on the 14th of July 1966 and went through basic training at Lackland. Was in the 3707th Squadron Flt.1650. My TI was ssgt Flores. He was very tough to please now that I think about it. I was very happy to leave that segment behind me. I then went to Amarillo for Tech school. That seemed to be a lot better and a lot cooler.
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Post by Jim on Dec 8, 2010 7:40:18 GMT 9
GOLLEEEEE- Washers and dryers :rofl :rofl Basic training- July '52 at Sampson AFB on Lake Seneca, NY - formerly US NAVY boot training during WW2..... Our barracks still had the Morse code on the wall along with the hand held semophore flags.......... Sign over the door to the latrine said HEAD.... Our washing machine was each man on his kness in the latrine with a GI scrub brush and a bar of Fels Naptha (brown) soap scubbing your one piece fatiques...... Took forever to rinse the soap out - then you got use the hand operated wringer that was used to wring out the scrub mops, or you and a buddy twisted them until your hands hurt... There were clothes lines outside the barracks to hang your clothes to dry............ The only reason there were walls between the crapper stalls was for some place to mount the paper holder......... The urinal was a long trough and the shower was one big room with shower heads mounted all the way around......... Uniforms were hung on a rack between bunks and your one piece fatuques were hung with the legs folded in the front pockets........... We were issued OD wife beater underwear tops and OD boxer shorts, along with either OD or black work socks....... Some of us got issued rough out brown brogans that we had to dye black and polish........... And of course all your stuff had to be rolled a certain way and put in your footlocker in a certain position....I got promoted and graduated from basic and went into casual status waiting for tech school, so I went to the BX and bought white tee shirts and jockey shorts and put those OD things in the bottom of my duffle bag.......... Never had to roll my stuff again for Junk on the Bunk ( clothing showdown)insp because it was already rolled.... Even if you lived off base, you brought all your issue clothing in for insp. AND you better hope it fit, because you might just be told to put something on.... If it didn't fit, you made a trip to clothing sales.......... In 1969, I was getting packed to return to the States from Japan and decided that I was tired of lugging 17 year old underwear around............ I unrolled a pair of shorts, and they rolled right back up again, same with the tops........ If I remember correctly, the waist size was 28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now it is about 40 !!!!!!!! I went to General Jet School at Amarillo and we were a brand new squadron and had brand new barracks near the Route 66 gate.......... 3 man rooms with wall closets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I accelerated out of every branch in school and believe I finished a month and a half a head of the guys I started with........... Honor grad- you got a piece of paper congratulating you for your efforts ............. You were offered your base of choice from 5 bases........... No ribbons, no promotion.......... we all got KP 2-3 times during basic and again in tech school............ Basic at that time was 12 weeks.................... TIs wore helmet liners as did the ass'ts.......................Amarillo could and did get damned cold and it snowed horizontally there.............. During my career I made it back to Amarillo 2 more times for F-102 school and for F-106 school (1959), the last time I was in the same barracks that I was in in 52-53.... BTW we didn't have day rooms at Sampson, you sat on your footlocker at the foot of your bed and shot the $hit, polished shoes, studied the Airman's Handbook or wrote letters after you got done drilling at about 7:30 PM and lights out at 9PM....................... I finished out the last 4 weeks as ass't TI because I could drill the troops. We took the drill comp trophy from an old TSgt who had won it about 5 times in a row......... Wonder what happened to all the memorbilla when Sampson closed- even from Amarillo for that matter.............. Remember constantly sweeping grain out of the door tracks and off the floor of the hangar at Amarillo because after WW2 it had been used as a grain elevator
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 8, 2010 13:37:23 GMT 9
Very neat history Jim. Thanks. :thanks
I went through basic in the summer of 1971 (July/August). Lackland AFB.
The first night and second nights all our beds were full. On the morning of the 3rd day two beds were empty. Two troops went AWOL and decided the USAF was not for them. We were informed a few days later the two troops were caught by a Texas Trooper hitch-hiking in northern Texas.
There was a story going around about a TI who had put two of his previous trainees into his flight while they were in casual status awaiting orders. The story goes like this. He'd take his flight out marching/drilling and they would mess up. He would single out one of the previous troops and lay into him. The story says the he pulled out a pistol and shot the troop and he fell over a guide rail and rolled down a hill. He marched them further and did the same. Shot another and he fell down into the ditch. Marched further and he stopped the flight again ranting and yelling about them messing up. This time the flight all scattered for their lives. The TI was using a starter pistol with blanks and had full support from his previous troops in casual waiting status. This is said to have happened in the spring of 1971.
Has anyone ever heard this tale? :scratch_head
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Post by catman on Dec 8, 2010 20:51:40 GMT 9
8-)That was still going a round in 1971 when i went through.
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Post by catman on Dec 8, 2010 20:54:59 GMT 9
;D not awake yet ment 1972
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Post by steve201 (deceased) on Dec 8, 2010 23:01:40 GMT 9
never heard that one before!!....can't see where that would be legal for the di to do..
Steve
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Post by Mark O on Dec 9, 2010 6:30:14 GMT 9
never heard that one before!!....can't see where that would be legal for the di to do.. Steve Yea, probably wasn't. :nono Of course I'm sure it wasn't legal for my drill sergeant to introduce me to the floor of the barracks back in 1983, but he did it anyway! Oh, it wasn't a "polite" introduction either! He threw me off a bed! I suppose I wasn't supposed to be taking a nap at the time, but in my own defense, I was pretty tired! Mark
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Dec 9, 2010 7:18:34 GMT 9
I was a bit earlier than The Old Sarge in getting to Basic.
I arrived in Santone, on 6 February 1952, the day King George VI of England died.
There were 78 of us from California on the Southern Pacific train from Los Angeles.
We were taken to Lackland, where we were handed to a couple of corporals, who took us to the Tent City.
There were 12 man tents, on wooden floors, with wooden walls about 4 feet high. There were screens above the walls, with tent flaps to cover them.
Each tent had it's own oil stove in the middle of the tent, on a metal plate, with the stove pipe extending through the top of the tent, via a metal sleeve that was sealed so the rain wouldn't get in.
There were duck walks from the tents to a central walkway, which led to the grass, gravel or paved assembly areas.
Early February in Santone can be cold and rainy. So the duck walks were appreciated.
To augment our 78 Californians, we got two men from Arkansas. That took us up to the Flight requirement of 80 men.
We were given our second physical exam. Guess they wanted to make sure nothing changed since we took the entrance physical.
We were also "issued" more shots in the arm than I knew existed, but none in the butt.
We were "marched" (wouldn't really call it marching) to a warehouse, where we went in by alphabetical order.
We were each handed a white duffel bag, and told to keep it open.
As we went from station to station, we were measured and given various articles of clothing and told how to fold them to put them in the duffel bag.
The Air Force was still issuing Olive Drab Army uniforms, but no one in our flight got them. We all got Air Force blues, including the very heavy all-wool overcoat (the horse blanket).
Unlike The Old Sarge, we all got white T Shirts, and boxer shorts. The shorts had ties at the waist, no snaps, buttons or elastic.
Some of the guys were issued the rough out shoes. They were also given a pack of sandpaper, and a bottle of black shoe dye. They had a lot of work to do.
The last thing we were issued was a Master Combination Lock for our duffel bags.
After 10 days at Lackland, learning how to march, salute and to stand in line at the chow hall, we were told to put on our dress blues and get packed.
We were marched to buses and took a trip to Wichita Falls and Sheppherd Field.
We finished our Basic at Sheppard.
WW2, two story barracks, small wooden shelf, with a coat hanger bar under it, 40 men on each floor, in bunk beds. The shoes were under the bed, the laundry bags hanging on the center aisle end of each bunk, footlockers, one in front, and one behind, were never locked, and we had no privacy.
Showers were in one large room off the latrine, with metal walls and, I think six shower heads. There were sinks along the back wall, a large trough like urinal, with a flush valve on one end. There were, I think, 5 commodes. Unlike Samson, we didn't have any walls between, the toilet paper was on the wall behind, which meant a twisting turn to get it. Either that or take some before you sat down.
Our laundry was done the same way The Old Sarge described, or we took it to the base laundry.
I got promoted to Private First Class during Basic, in the last couple of weeks, along with most everyone else in our flight.
I went to tech school at Sheppard, so just changed barracks, and mailing address.
Two big events, sort of, while at Lackland, involved airplanes.
Kelly Field, where the runways were, had C-99s stationed there. When they would take off, everything shook, and the tent poles would vibrate to where we thought they would break. That happened at least once a day.
The other was the F-89s taking off.
They were the early models with 20mm cannons in the nose.
They would take off quite slowly, and very low, just past the Tent City. Kind of scary to see that big fighter so low, and too close to where we were.
The days of Basic Training were fun, challenging, disliked, hated, loved, despised, enjoyed, etc., depending on what day it was.
Jim Too
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 9, 2010 7:24:43 GMT 9
Talking about tents Jim,,,,,,,,this is what my dad lived in "all during WWII" in the U.S. Army Air Corp.
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Post by LBer1568 on Dec 10, 2010 2:21:01 GMT 9
I was fortunate enough to start basic at Lackland on April 23 1963. We had the same barracks, same routine etc. But we only had 4 1/2 weeks at lackland. No pass to San Antonio. Then we boarded a train for Denver and Lowery AFB for MA-1 training. Arriving at lowery for school we found out that 4 1/2 weeks at Lackland wasn't long enough to process our Secret Clearances so we got PATS and KP. I had 28 straight days of KP. I think my hands are still wrinkled from the pots and pans detail. So after a month delay we started school and Basic Phase 2 after school. Two hours a day for what seemed like eternity. In Phase 2 we had a TI from Chicago and his favorite was "Hero". That and polishing old plumbing pipes, carrying and polishing a brick to remind you of the "other right". And carrying a purse if you had pocket bulge. Ah the wonders of Lowery. I was back their for Y2K certification for the Federal Center. Thats what is on of Lowery. No more two story WWII barracks or marching troops. But Coors Brewery is still favorite stop. Ah for the good old days...NOT!
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Post by biendhoa on Dec 10, 2010 7:55:15 GMT 9
Went to lackland 1 sept 1951. the rest pretty much mirrored Jim Scanlons discreption of basic training,only I did all my basic training at lackland .Made pfc in the last couple o weeks of basic.Went to sheppard for a&e school
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Post by Bullhunter on Jan 14, 2012 8:37:16 GMT 9
Summer of 1971 We had a basic recruit that often forget to lock his footlocker. The Instructor 4 or 5 times did a Texas Twister in his foot locker. That is where the instructor stood up the can of shaving cream and put an object on the button and closed the lid on it. Filled the top with cream. Always made a mess. Leaving a foot locker unsecured was a major violation. Then one day after lunch we returned back to the barracks early. The Instructor went inside the barracks first then the assistant instructor told us to fall out and ready for inspection. We went upstairs to our beds and stood at attention. One of the screens were missing off the window I figure that was odd. The instructor then got in this recruits face about his footlocker being left unlocked again. He picked up the recruits footlocker and carried it to the window and threw it out. I knew this wasn't good! The the Instructor yelled about teamwork, security, etc, etc.....! Then he lowered the boom. We were told to pick up our footlockers and take them outside. Once outside he yelled. From now on when recruit dumbass violates security you all suffer. We were instructed to put our footlockers on our shoulders and run around the barracks five times then be ready for full footlocker inspection in 10 minutes. We all pasted inspection. That night recruit dumbass received a blanket party by most of the recruits on our floor. His blanket was pulled up over his head and he was held down while others punched him over and over and told him each time he forgot to lock his locked he'd get the same. He looked pretty bad the next morning and when the Instructor asked what happened to him he replied, Fell in the shower. The Instructor responded, "Sure you did" and as he walked away had a smirk on his face. After that night everyone looked at his locker when the order to fall out was given. He never forgot after that. I and quite a few others did not participate in the blanket party. Close to a dozen recruits did. Attachments:
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Post by aphone on Jan 16, 2012 8:40:20 GMT 9
I have fond memories of going through in April 61. I was not quite the tallest, and would try and slink down about an inch when the TI scanned over us. I learned quickly to be silent and observe. Learned a lot. One TSgt and SSgt and they had fun with us. They would halt, then go under a shade tree and smoke while we were at Parade Rest in the sun. They would yell out, smoke'em if you got'em, then laugh while taking a deep drag, coming over and blowing smoke near us. First drag at 5 wks.. went dizzy. I understand the basics do not have a week of KP anymore. Sad..... Makes one appreciate those who do that for an AFSC. Do they still have OPEN BAY barracks? That is part of basic training. The TIs would promise us an off base pass if we passed barracks inspection. Of course, it was a set up. After scrubbing all night, we marched up to the Green Monster and while we were out the TIs tore the barracks apart. Footlockers shaken and thrown, some upside down. Beds ripped apart. All hanging clothes were strewn up in the rafters, some on different floors. They had a field day.... Pretty comical after we wised up to it. Then the TIs came in and ripped us for failing our inspection. They were professionals...ha One airman had a heavy beard, didn't shave that morning, so we all got to see him dry shave himself in formation before breakfast. I still remember my original AF Serial Number xxxx1162 VETERANS STAND A LITTLE TALLER....
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Post by Mark O on Jan 16, 2012 9:10:51 GMT 9
I posted these photos on a different thread some time ago, but thought I'd share them again on the Basic Training thread since it seems appropriate. These are displays at the USAF Enlisted Heritage Museum at Lackland. I took them this past summer during a week visit to Wilford Hall before I retired. Might bring back a few memories!
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 7, 2012 1:47:11 GMT 9
It was on 6 February 1952, sixty years ago to-day, that I arrived in Santone, on a Southern Pacific train, to begin the first stage of Basic Training.
When we got off the train, the newsboys were selling papers with the news that King George VI of England had died, and his eldest daughter, Elizabeth, was now the Queen of England.
The Korean War was still going strong, Harry Truman was president, and many in the Air Force were still wearing OD uniforms, with the "new" Air Force stripes.
We, 80 0f us from California, got off the train, boarded buses, and were driven to Lackland.
I was assigned to the 3700th AF Induction Wing.
We were taken to the Lackland Tent City, and assigned to 12 man tents.
It was at Lackland I received my uniforms, and the duffel bag to put them in. I also learned how to salute, march and other introductory training.
I was issued blue uniforms, as the OD uniforms in my sizes were all gone.
After 10 days at Lackland, we were put on buses and off we went to Shepherd Field to take our actual basic training.
My, oh my, where have those sixty years gone.
Jim Too
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Post by adart on Feb 7, 2012 5:44:00 GMT 9
Went in on the 6 Feb,1967. Flew from Ia. to Texas and took a bus to Lackland and the rest is history. Man It's been 45 years for me. Time has flew by. That trip was the first time in a plane. Prop job to K.C. then jet to Texas. I think the prop job was Brannif Airlines.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 7, 2012 8:41:46 GMT 9
June 15 1960 flew from Omaha to somewhere in Texas then got on AF DC-3 to Lackland landed at nite, lot hollering and cussing finally got to a barracks by bus I guess. Next morning more hollering, Uniforms haircut (how do you want it?) by the time you answer they were done. I guess we had a lazy TI because we didn't do any parades or KP and when it got 100 degrees we stayed in the barracks. The 2 striper that live in the barrack would go out and get drunk and have fire drill at 2am, he would always tell the barracks guard about 1/2 ways up the steps, so one nite we were ready for him and he was knocked down the steps. That was last fire drill.Left Lackland after 5 weeks to Lowery on another DC-3. Bush Jacket with tie sat on the ramp 100degrees and this guy start puking.what a wonderful smell finally the pilots kicked us off the airplane.
Bear
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