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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 12, 2009 9:29:48 GMT 9
Last night I recalled a few incidents during my basic training days in 1971. I added them to my book in the basic training chapter. It's being edited today by a friend and 2 family members . I'll think on posting it after its edited and refined. Anyone have a training story to share?
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Post by adart on Mar 13, 2009 0:37:41 GMT 9
When we stepped off the bus at Lackland we had a E-3 or E-4, dont remember but he was barking and yelling orders and I thought to myself What the hell am I doing here. This was around 1 or 2 A.M. Marched to the chow hall and we had crap on a shingle.But you know it wasn't too bad. We ate in about 10 min. and then marched to the barracks. We found our beds and he said we could sleep in today. Well he was back around 5 A.M. yelling get up you blankety blanks were starting this day right now.. That was my first day at Lackland.. Feb. 67
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Post by Jeff Shannon on Mar 13, 2009 2:29:10 GMT 9
We arrived at basic training at about 11pm and did the whole processing thing, then went to eat at the chow hall (NOT a dining facility as they call it today) Which is where I learned you can actually remove all traces of taste from food. Anyway we arrive on the drill pad around 1am and were met by some E-3 who just yelled for us to get into some kind of order for about 1/2 hour. Then TSgt Andrews comes walking out with mirrored sunglasses (1:30am) and I'm saying to myself this it's going to go as I thought it would. I mean I have heard the stories from other who were in and this just wasn't starting off like theirs did. So we played Pick em up and put em down for about 30 minutes while running in place, now is when I'm sooo glad I didn't pack a big suitcase!! After this we are told to get up stairs 3rd floor and find a bed (we were in the tower dorms) so off we go and some clown inside wont let us in because we didn't have the right words to say, TSgt Andrews comes up stairs and tells him it's okay and to let us in, however we didn't get up the stairs fast enough so we had to go back down stairs and get in formation again. Well we didn't do it fast enough either so run back up stairs and run back down stairs for about another 30 to 40 minutes. One guy was served drinks on his plane trip to basic ans was over on the side throwing up which got us another 20 minutes of clean up, cigarette butts, trash you name it we cleaned it up. we finally got up stairs found a bed and headed to the day room, now all of us out of shape airman just wanted to go to sleep but we had to listen to him for another 40 minutes or so as he explained what was going to be going on for the next couple of weeks. (which at the time felt like a life time). Of course it all went in one ear and out the other as we all were trying to catch our breath.
I would do my time in the Air Force all over again if I could, except the basic part :patriotic-flagwaver :us_flag :salute :salute
Move forward about 4 months and I'm walking into the engine shop at Bentwaters, England and who is working on the jet we had to pull the seat on, none other than TSgt Andrews himself. it seems we were his next to last flight as a TI. He was an engine troop by trade!! and one heck of a nice guy away from Basic Training.
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 13, 2009 5:48:54 GMT 9
Following is another small story out of my book. Covers my basic training expereances. After growing up on a dairy farm - basic was almost a walk in the park for me. My barracks was an old WWII building. No airconditioning. We had screens in the windows for that. It gets very damn hot at Lackland AFB in July and August. :cry The photos did not copy so I inserted them with ImageShack. Just click on the photos to enlarge. Enjoy Basic Training I departed home for U.S. Air Force Basic Training at Lackland Air Force Base, TX on July 7, 1971. The jet took off from Albany Airport, and I flew most of the day, changed planes once, but I don’t recall where that took place at. I do remember that was my first jet aircraft flight. A blue military bus picked us up at the airport and took us to Lackland Air Force Base. It was, I guess around 11:00 PM or midnight, when we arrived, and then it all got pretty wild after that. A Technical Instructor (TI) got on the bus and started yelling, “Get off, get off!” so we all bailed off the bus. We processed in and then were taken to our barracks about 4:00AM and instructed to get some rest. It sure didn’t take me long to fall asleep like everyone else. Then at about 5:30AM the lights came on and the TI’s were yelling again, “Get up, Get up, Get up!” I was thinking to myself, “Damn, didn’t I just fall asleep?” Well we marched to the chow hall for breakfast and then it was shots, uniform fitting, haircuts (or should I say head shaving), and many briefings. It was a very long day and we were glad to hit the beds that evening. When we were awakened the next morning by the TI’s, two beds were discovered empty. Two new recruits in just one day decided that this was not the life for them. I was raised on a dairy farm and was used to rising early to milk cows and working late. The farm had me accustomed to hard work and long walks. Military Basic training was easy for me, but we had many city kids that were not used to this activity and they were constantly complaining. One day it was my turn for barracks security patrol. This extra duty required the selected recruit to remain in the secured barracks for security and fire protection and prevention. You had rules of security to remember and a barracks building access list to follow. Any person not on that list was not authorized access into the barracks. As I stood guard at the door Captian Shepley walked down the squadron walkway and turned up our sidewalk, my heart started to pound. He came up to the door and started banging on the door and demanded entrance. I checked the access list and guess what? I was shocked, not to find his name on it. He kept banging on the door yelling for me to open it. I informed him that his name was not on the access list and I was not authorized to allow him access. His banging paused, and he said, “Please let me in I have to check on something?” I repeated myself and told him he was not on the list so he was not authorized access today. He banged a few more times then asked me, “Do you know who I am?” I replied, “Yes Sir” He snapped back, “Who the hell am I?” I quickly responded, “Sir, you are the squadron commander, Sir” He kept at me, “Yes I am your squadron Commander, so open this damn door!” Again I refused and he changed his tactics. He started quizzing me on my security procedures. These were procedures that you were to have memorized and failure to recall any of the ten of them would get you demerits. Each time he asked me the specific numbered procedure I recited it perfectly. After about five or six minutes he banged on the door again and yelled, “Open this damn door so I can get in my barracks on offical business”. Once again I refused to open the door and he departed the area. This was an old WWII barracks without air-conditioning near the end of July and with the hot tempatures and the stress of the Captian’s attack I was soaked in sweat. My only thought was, “games, just stupid games.” When the flight returned the TI asked me if I had let the Captain in, and I said, “Sir, NO Sir.” The TI was pleased. Old Barracks, Lackland AFB, TX Photo: G.H. Price During the first few weeks of training we were scheduled to attend numerous training briefings and classes. I do recall a few of them. One long class was given by the Staff Judge Advocates Office where we were instructed on the Uniform Code Of Military Justice (UCMJ). This is the military law and we were briefed on many of the don’ts from writing bad checks to assaults, along with the punishments. Military law is far more wide ranging and has higher conviction rates. Two medical personnel came and gave us instructions on first aid, and lots of information on how not to contract sexual transmitted diseases (STD’s). They even showed us visual aids, and those pictures scared the heck out of most of us. We had security briefings and a briefing on the local San Antonio area. You name it, we got briefed on it, or given a class on it. Mail Call was always a fun and exciting time. The last thing you wanted was the TI or Drill Instructor (DI) to get something on you to make you stand out. We were maybe 1/4 the way through basic training when mail call came one day. Our TI sat on a stool and we sat around on the floor as he read the names on the envelopes and tossed them at us when we said here. My name was called and the TI just looked at the envelope or card, don't remember which it was. Then he looked up and said, “Where are you?” "Sir, here, sir" was my reply. He said "This is trouble - from the selective service, you’ve been drafted and the Marines want you!" The TI then told me to pack. He called out a few more names and someone else also got a draft notice and the TI told him to pack also. In about 5 more minutes the mail call was over and we continued packing. The TI then said, “total barracks inspection in 10 minutes.” He then told me and the other guy packing, “Stop packing – I’ve decided to keep you both.” What a relief! There was no way that I or the other airman could unpack and get our lockers set up for inspection in only 10 minutes and the TI knew this. But by this time training and teamwork had been drilled into us and the whole flight pitched in and helped us unpack and set up our personal lockers and footlockers. There was never a dull moment in basic. Our TI loved Texas Twisters and greatly enjoyed giving them. A Texas Twister was caused and done to a recruit when a recruit would leave his foot locker unlocked or unsecured. If the TI found a footlocker unlocked, he’d take the cap off the shaving cream can. He’d then put an object onto the top of the shaving cream’s button valve and close the foot lockers lid, the weight of the lid would empty the shaving cream all over the inside of the recruits foot locker. One recruit had left his foot locker unsecured for the 3rd time. He was only two beds away from me. When we entered the barracks I noticed the bug screen removed from one of the windows and wondered why. We all lined up at our bunks and the TI came in and went right to the recruit that for the 3rd time failed to secure his locker. The TI yelled and yelled, and I felt bad for the recruit, but I was glad it was not me. The TI then picked up that foot locker and carried it over to the window and chucked it out the window, and we were on the 2nd floor. I was thinking to myself, “Wow, sure glad that is over”. Next thing I heard was the TI say, “Thanks to this recruit, all of you on this floor will pick up you foot lockers on your shoulder and carry them down stairs and run around the barracks 3 times then back up stairs and be ready for inspection in 10 minutes.” When we got back upstairs tired and bruised the screen was back in the window and our TI’s were gone. I knew we only had 10 minutes and they would return. I heard one fellow recruit laugh and say, “I bet the TI’s are having a cold soda now and laughing.” I felt he was likely right about that. Then came the day when we got our first trip to the rifle range. The rifle range was between Lackland AFB and Kelley AFB, quite a long distance march. The fist day was dry fire where we learned about the M-16 weapon. Learn how to dismantle it, clear it, clean it, and reassemble it. After all that, we did dry fire exercises. That is where you learn breath control and trigger squeezing. That afternoon we marched all the way back. The next day it was again the long march back to the rifle range and we got to do it all again. This time we got to shoot live ammo and smell the gun powder in the air. Reminds me of the line in the movie, “I Love The Smell Of Napalm In The Morning.” Just switch Napalm with Gun Powder. I did pretty well on the rifle range. After all, I’d spent years hunting woodchucks on our farms with a 22 rifle. Hunted whitetail deer with a Winchester rifle, and wild turkey with a shotgun. I was almost born with a weapon in my hands. Sometime between the Weapons Training and the Confidence Course we had our Training Flight picture taken. I’m in the center just above the Instructor’s hat. 3702 Basic Military Training Flight 1971 U.S.Air Force Photo During our last week in basic training it was the obstacle course, commonly referred to as the Confidence Course. You had to complete it within a specific time frame to graduate from basic training. As I approached this water obstacle that you swung across on a rope a TI was standing in the way to stop me. “All I could think was, “Damn, this idiot’s going to delay me and cost me lost time.” Before I came to a complete stop from my running the TI spoke out loudly, “Run around - water moccasin was spotted in the pond!” My reply was, “Gladly Sir.” Not one recruit in our flight failed the obstacle course. Now was the time were were marched to a building were we met with Career Training Officers. When my turn came I was sent into a room with a Major. To a young recruit like myself an Air Force Major was almost like a God. I spoke up and said, “Airman Basic Price reporting as ordered, Sir!” The Major snapped back,“Take a seat Airman.” The Major seemed to know more about me than I knew about myself, or remembered. The major started off with, “I see you played football in high school, you were on your school’s swim team, and worked on the family farm, is that correct?” I quickly answered, “Sir, yes Sir!” The Major spoke again and said, “You are very active and physically fit.” I got the jump on him and replied again, “Sir, yes Sir.” I could tell he was not pleased with my fast answer as he leaned forward and looked into my eyes. He then remarked, “You scored high on your enlistment tests also, is that correct?” I knew my scores we good but I could not recall how good, so I replied, “Sir, I think so, Sir.” At this point the major stood up, looked down at me and said, “Airman, I’m not interested in what you think, I interested in what you know!” He went on and remarked, “Your record reflects that you scored very high with the M-16.” I remembered my TI saying that I’d came close to receiving a marksmanship ribbon. So I replied, “Yes Sir.” The Major paced back and forth behind his desk for a few seconds then sat back down. He looked and me and said, “I see you parent has signed for you to enlist early. That your recruiter guaranteed you a job in the Aircraft Maintenance Career Field as a Jet Engine Mechanic. Again I answered, “Yes Sir.” He went on and talked about the Air Force needed Pararescue Personnel. That I’d get a good valuable education and training in emergency medical care, extensive survival training, and attend parachute training, I’d also get plenty of training and practice with military weapons. This sounded very exciting to me so we talked more. The Major wanted to know if I had questions, and I did. I learned that most pararescue men were sent to the jungles of South East Asia. When I was a kid I stepped on a rock and out crawled a rattlesnaker on our farm. From then on I was deathly afraid of snakes. South East Asia had lots of snakes and so I declined the offer in pararescue. The Major did his best to push me into pararescure training, I guess because of my high school sports and test scores, but I continued to declined. I don’t know what made me speak up, but I suggested, that if the Air Force was not going to let me be a Jet Engine Mechanic, as my recruiter guaranteed, then I should be given a permanent deferment from being drafted. The major leaned back in his chair and just looked at me for a short period of time. I kept my mouth shut waiting for him to say something. He glanced back down at my records and then said, “Jet Engine School it is, Chanute Air Force Base, Illinois.” My response was relief and my reply to the Major was, “Sir, Thank-you Sir!” The Major quickly replied, “Dismissed Airman, send in the next one!” I quickly responded, “Yes Sir” and got out of that office. I advised the next Airman it was his turn to go in. Finely it came, Graduation Day! This was a very special day to me. I’d left high school after the eleventh grade and went into the Air Force. I was sick of school and wanted to get started on a career and an adventure. It all worked out well for me as two years later I finished my high school education and got my diploma. It was hot on the parade grounds Graduation day as we marched around. As we stood at parade rest and listened to a speech by some general we had two airman pass out. After all the pomp and ceremonies were over it was pass time. We all got passes for good old San Antonio. Our flight only suffered one embarrassment. Two of our young airman hooked up with two young girls who had a vehicle. They drove out of town and promised the airman a good time. As the report went, the girls were in a convertible and after they stopped on a lonely dirt road the guys got out of the back seat and stood behind the car. The girls told them to remove their shirts and toss them in the back seat to prevent them from getting dirty, and to turn around and close their eyes until they were told they could open them. When they were told to open their eyes and turn around the girls had removed their shirts and bras. The sight of the two girls and naked breasts in the moonlight had them hooked. The girls then told the airman if they wanted the remainder of a good time, to remove their uniform pants and toss them in the back seat also preventing them from getting dirty. Of course the airmen did as they were told and the girls sped off with the airmen’s uniforms, wallets, including their military ID’s. Our TI had to go in the wee hours of the morning to the San Antonio Police Department to pick up the two airmen. They became a laughing stock until we all departed Lackland Air Force Base for our respective Technical Training Schools.
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Post by Jeff Shannon on Mar 13, 2009 8:24:59 GMT 9
Great story Bullhunter, now you have me looking through boxes of pictures to see if I still have my Basic Photo.
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Post by MOW on Mar 13, 2009 10:13:45 GMT 9
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Post by Cougar on Mar 13, 2009 12:29:08 GMT 9
Great story Bullhunter, now you have me looking through boxes of pictures to see if I still have my Basic Photo. Jeff, if you can't find your photos from basic you might try here. They have some of the flts, but not all. www.bmtflightphotos.af.mil/ :patriotic-flagwaver
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Mar 13, 2009 13:01:09 GMT 9
This is a chapter from my life story that I am writing for my kids. Jim -----------------------------------
I was attending school in Napa, CA, and doing fairly well. However, I was bored and didn't really want to stay in school. I talked to my family and the vice-principal about going in to the military. They all thought it might be a good idea and Mom said she would sign the papers to allow me to enlist at age seventeen.
I went to the court house in downtown Napa and talked to the Navy recruiter. I thought it would be great to be at sea. However, he told me I would have to get my teeth fixed before the Navy would accept me. I went next door to the Air Force recruiter and told him what the Navy said. He looked at my teeth and said they didn't look that bad to him and that the Air Force had dentists to take care of the problems. I was hoping to get in to Air-Sea Rescue and be on small boats or rescue planes. He made an appointment for me to go to the main recruiting station in San Francisco, at Van Ness and Market, for testing.
After I took the test it was time for a physical exam. I passed both and was told to report on 31 January 1952 to be sworn in to the Air Force. That left me several days to get things taken care of in Napa and to get the items they told me I would need for the trip to basic training.
I went to the school and let them know I was enlisting and they told me to stop by the office to withdraw from school after I had officially enlisted. It was no big deal to them. In those days it was quite common for men to drop out of school after 16 to go to work. So going in to the military was a normal event for the school.
In those days you didn't have to have a high school diploma to enlist. Didn't even need a GED. You just had to be physically fit and pass the entrance tests. Girls very often dropped out when they were sixteen to get married or go to work. There was no stigma to not having completed high school and very few jobs required a high school diploma. Even fewer required college, mostly medical, law, science and teaching. Of course, at that time the average high school graduate probably knew as much, if not more, than the average college graduate to-day.
So, with the papers signed, the hand raised to swear allegiance to our Republic and it's Constitution, I began a journey that would last me the rest of my life. I was, and still am, a part of the United States Air Force.
I was to report to the 4th and Townsend Streets railroad station on the evening of 4 February 1952. Mom went with me and to say goodbye. I told her that I would plan to stay in for twenty-years and she laughed and said I would change my mind. Wrong! The train I, and other recruits, took was the Southern Pacific Owl, the night train from San Francisco to Los Angeles. I got to meet some of the guys I would be with in basic training when we got to the train. I don't remember who was there to get us on the train, but think there was at least one officer and an NCO. The train got us to Los Angeles Union Station the morning of the 5th. Then it was on to the east bound train. We took the Southern Pacific Sunset Limited. We were in a Pullman car for the trip. As I recall we were all in one car. There was an NCO with us to make sure we got to meals on time and that no one decided to get off the train and skip out. We did make stops, but usually we had to stay on the train. The Sunset Limited went from LA to New Orleans with stops in Phoenix, Tuscon, El Paso, San Antonio and Houston. Our stop was San Antonio. It was an uneventful ride across 1400 miles of the Southwest. A Pullman car filled with new Air Force recruits having fun while headed to who new what, when we got to San Antonio.
All of our meals were paid for and the food on the trains was always good. We did have a military menu, but it was really good food. Southern Pacific, like most railroads at the time, prided themselves on their food and the service in their dining cars. White table linens, crystal glasses, real china and silver cutlery was the norm and the waiters and others did a bang up job of making sure our plates were full and our glasses and cups were never empty.
Some of the guys had never traveled by train, or even out of their home towns, so the meals on the train and the Pullman berths were a real treat for them. Having spent many nights on trains and eating meals in dining cars, it was no big deal to me.
However, this trip was one that was very different, and very special. It would take me from being a school boy to being a member of the Air Force and to my new life.
Our train pulled in to San Antonio the morning of 7 February 1952. The news paper headlines were that King George the Sixth of England had died the day before and that Elizabeth was now the queen. Buses were there to take us to Lackland Air Force Base. We got to the base and were taken to a long row of tents in the midst of a field of dirt and mud. There were duck walks, board sidewalks, going from each tent and down the middle of the area between the tents. The tents were twelve-man pyramid tents with an oil stove in the middle of each tent on a metal plate. There were bunk beds and we had to make them for the first time, with supervision by a corporal, and get them right the first time.
We began our training that morning by learning the rudiments of marching as we went to the chow hall for lunch. Then it was more of the same that afternoon. In the evening we were free to do whatever we wanted, as long as we didn't leave the area. There were a couple of lights in the tent, so we could read and write our first letters home. That was a requirement we all had to do.
The next day it was off for a complete physical and more testing. Then it was more training on how to march, salute, etc., to make us adequate in military procedures. The next day we were marched to a warehouse and moving through the building in a long line getting our supplies. The first thing we got was a duffel bag to put the rest in. We were issued all of our uniforms, dress and fatigue, underwear, towels and wash cloths, laundry bags, dress shoes, two pairs of boots, dress caps and fatigue caps. We also got a shaving kit with toothbrush, tooth powder, razor, shaving soap, comb and a sewing kit. All that was "neatly" folded and put in our duffel bags. Then it was back to the tents to learn how to hang, fold and store everything.
At that time the fatigues were one-piece and had a belt sewn on with a stamped metal buckle. Some of the guys were issued brown dress uniforms. The only difference was the Air Force lapel pins. There were also some who were issued rough surfaced, tan brogans. Those guys had to use sandpaper to take off the rough and then smooth them in order to dye them black and polish them. I was fortunate, in that I was issued dress blues and black brogans. Still had to polish them to a glossy shine.
Every day at Lackland was a series of classes on all the things we were supposed to know, including going over the Airman's Handbook. Seeing it was raining a lot, we were mostly inside listening to lectures and finding out what the Air Force was all about. In th evenings, after getting back from the chow hall, it was studying the Airman's Handbook and getting to know one another. We were all from California, but from all over the state. Only a few had known each other before enlisting.
After ten days at Lackland all eighty of us were marched, carrying our duffel bags, to a parking lot and got on buses to take us to Wichita Falls, Texas and Shepherd Air Force Base for the rest of basic training.
The Korean War was still going strong and we were all excited about what would happen after we got through basic, but first we had to make that hurdle.
Thus began my twenty year journey as a member to the United States Air Force. I was a bit past two months beyond my seventeenth birthday. I had a long journey ahead.
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 13, 2009 14:06:33 GMT 9
Awesome story Jim. Does not sound like you had many perks at basic. Not evening a barracks building. Good story for kids now.
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Post by Gene on Mar 13, 2009 15:39:33 GMT 9
hey jim,, that is an outstanding story... to join so young...i know another guy that joined at 17... he was an aerial porter who was in viet nam in the early '60's , and he had a few interesting tales to tell...
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 13, 2009 16:38:57 GMT 9
I just remembered an incident that happened to me in Basic that was very embarrsing. I just added it to my book's chapter.
One evening our TI, SSgt Carr yelled for me into get into his office. All I could think was, “Damn, what did I do now.” I sprinted into his office and reported, “Sir, Airman Basic Price reports as ordered, Sir!” He quickly snapped at me, “What do we have here, some kind of Mama’s Boy?” I firmly replied, “Sir, No Sir!” as I was thinking, what kind of game is this, and why me? I figured that I’d never live this down as I was sure most of the other recruits could here us.
SSgt Carr then asked, “When is the last time you called home?” I quickly responded, “Sir I have not called home, Sir.” His next question was, “When did you write home last?” My response was the same, “Sir, I have not written home either, Sir?
Then he started yelling at me, “You dumb ass, why do you think we march you to the telephones twice a week, and give you time to buy stationary and stamps in the Base Exchange?” I was surprised and caught off guard by his outburst and comments. So I did not have a reply, so he started in yelling at me again.
“You have been in training over a month and instructed numerous times to telephone and write home – now we have a Red Cross Inquiry from your Mama wanting to know what happened to her boy, are you sure your not some kinda damn Mama’s boy?” He quickly started yelling again, thus preventing me the chance to respond. He then yelled his orders, “You will run up to the telephones and call your Mama, then run back here within 30 minutes, do you understand?” In a flash I replied, “Sir, yes Sir!” He then yelled, “Then get going!”
I made my phone call and returned to the barracks within the 30 minutes. I let my Mom know that I was not pleased with her calling the Red Cross and to not do anything like that again. That I did not enjoy my TI screaming at me in the barracks. The incident was never mentioned to me again by the TI or any of my fellow recruits. :angry
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Post by pat perry on Mar 13, 2009 20:44:30 GMT 9
It appears that Rev Jim and Bullhunter have become our resident authors. Great work guys, keep those chapters coming! Pat P.
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 15, 2009 7:06:45 GMT 9
This story i just stuck in my book. It's not military training so I guess it falls under the last part of the threads title, "other training". As a youngster I was always ready and eager to learn and join in. This story his about learning as a youngster. Hunting Lodge My Dad was good friends with the fellows at the old hunting lodge down deep in the forest off one of the dirt roads. My Uncle Clarence owned a large dairy farm that boarded the hunting lodge’s property. I remember visiting my Uncle Clarence’s farm and playing with my two cousins, both a few years older than me. My Dad and his two brothers were friends with the fellows at the hunting lodge. They often hunted each other’s lands. My Dad always kept a watch over the hunting lodge throughout the year to prevent break-ins. A cable was always locked and secured across the road that lead to the hunting lodge and my Dad had a key so he could keep watch over the place when the lodge members were not around. They trusted my Dad not only with the key to the barrier cable, but with a key to the lodge’s door. My Grandma once told me the story about the fellows at the hunting lodge. She didn’t care for them much, as she always called them drunkards and gangsters. Talking with Grandma one day I referred to the folks at the hunting lodge as old gentleman. She quickly corrected me and and said, “drunkards and gangsters!” She never approved of my Dad taking me around the hunting lodge at all. Most of the time when we stopped to check on the place during the year nobody was around. My Uncle Clarence decided to sell the old farm and get out of the woods. It was a very difficult place to get in and out of in the winter time. Even if there was a heavy the cow’s milk in large stainless cans had to be picked up by the milk truck and taken to the creamery. My Uncle and his wife wanted a farm on the paved highway and out of the deep woods. Grandma told me how the farm was sold and became part of the hunting lodge. The boundary line of my Uncle’s farm joined against the hunting lodge property on their east side and my Dad’s old homestead of 57 acres joined it on the north side. My Grandparents 320 acre farm was on the west side. The south side was owned by another farmer. This old hunting lodge was owned by some fellows from New Jersey. Back in the 1960’s my Uncle wanted to sell this farm secluded in the back woods. He had his eye on a farm not farm from my Grandparents farm on the main highway. So, my Uncle Clarence approached the gentleman at the hunting lodge and inquired if they would like to purchase his farm. As my Grandma told the story, my uncle said, “I wanted to sell the farm,” and before he could say another word one of the dudes said, “Name your price!” He named it, and they paid it in CASH. There was only one agreement written into the deed of sale, and that was that my uncle and his brothers (My Dad) along with their children would always have hunting and fishing rights to the old farm. I remember one night I was very young, maybe about 11 or 12 my Dad and I stopped at the hunting lodge. I’d been sick with nausea and diarrhea, deer season opened in 2 days, and I wanted to go with my Dad to the lodge. Of course Grandma was not in favor of that. It was close to dark and one of the old dudes asked my Dad, “Harold, you wanted to see some guns?” My dad said “yes.” So we followed him over to one of the big black caddy’s parked near the woods. He opened the trunk and inside were several guns and the dude pulled out a Machine Gun with a clip that looked to be a foot long. At that time my favorite television show was “Combat” with Vic Marrow as Sergeant saunders. So I knew this guy had a Thompson Sub-machine Gun. I was just a young kid and didn’t know when to keep my mouth shut and asked, “Wow, going to hunt deer with that?!” The old dude looked at my Dad and grinned, then stared at me and said in a low calm voice, “No kid, these are not for hunting deer.” I started to open my mouth with my next question when my dad put his hand over my mouth and said, “That’s enough, quiet Gary.” My Dad knowing me very well, knew I was going to ask, “What the heck do you hunt with machine guns?” After we admired the weapons the gentleman asked my Dad, “Harold, you and your son like to stay for supper?” my Dad quickly said “Yes, thanks.” We went in the back door and through the kitchen where a few fellows were cooking big pots of pasta, meatballs, sausage, and sauces. Italian dudes and a machine gun, of course pasta, meatballs, and sausage go with that. We then followed him into the dining room, it was massive with a long wood table with a big rock wall fireplace at the other end. That might have been my first time inside side, but not my last. The old fellow announced, “Hey, look who’s here!” The reply from the dozen or so guys around the long table was, “Hello Harold” and I thought to myself, “Wow, My Dad is friends with all these dudes, wow !!!!!!!” Dad and I said down with these gangsters (As Grandma called them) from New Jersey and my Dad started having conversations with them, mostly about hunting, along with the deer & turkeys he had seen around all summer and fall. What we had caught while fishing in the lake during the summer months. Time came when the fellows in the kitchen brought out the pasta, meatballs, sausage, and sauce. Plates and silverware were already set. My Dad mentioned, “My son Gary is not feeling well and should eat very little.” One of the old gents said something like, “Sure the kid can eat all he wants, we got something that will fix him right up.” He left the table and came back with this funny shaped bottle. There was a wine glass next to my plate, the old gent filled it half way or more with what he called Blackberry Brandy and said, “Kid, that will surely cure what’s wrong with you!” They brought out more bottles that were tall, I asked, “Whats in them?” and someone replied, “Vino!” I wondered, “What the heck is Vino, maybe I should try that also.” The gang filled their glasses and toasted to the hunting season, I did the same. They all took drinks and I followed along with a few big gulps myself. It burned all the way down to my stomach, I did my best to asked for some cold milk as they all smiled and started laughing. Next thing I heard was, “Drink kid, it will cure what’s wrong with you.” So for the next few hours we ate pasta, meatballs, sausage, and sipped our drinks. My Dad and the gang continued talking about hunting and the fishing and what we caught the past summer in the lake that was on my Uncle’s farm they bought. My Dad ensured them that he had been keeping a watchful eye on the lodge for them during the year as they only got up there hunting season and a few weekends during the summer. As we left they all said goodbye to my Dad and I, and the old gent at the head of the table said, “Hey kid, want to take some brandy home with ya?” I just shuck my head no and a few of the guys burst out laughing. As my dad and I drove back to my grandparents farm I asked my Dad who those guys were, he just said, “Some friends.” And he instructed me not to say anything to grandma about drinking brandy. The next morning while helping my Uncle Ralph with feeding and milking the cows we talked. I told him about dinner and the brandy. I asked him, “Who are those guys at the hunting lodge?” I added that, “Grandma calls them drunks and gangsters.” Uncle Ralph looked at me and he said, “Grandma is half right, I call them Jersey Boys.” and responded, “Who are they?” He replied, “Grandma is correct, they are gangsters, Mafia!” I then told him about the Thompson Machine Gun and he said, “I’m not surprised.” Over time as I grew older, I got to know a few of these guys. The younger ones. One was named Vince and he often came up to my grandparents farm to hunt with us. I remember him well as we would be walking along side by side talking with me and then he’d be gone. I’d stop and turn around to find him laying on the ground. He said, “I have a trick knee and never know when it’s going to give out on me.” I asked him once, “What happened to your knee?” All he would say was “I injured it.” I always suspected he’d suffered a gunshot wound. Vince and the rest of those guys were always camera shy. I took this picture many years ago. Vince is on the far left with the pointed hat. He is hiding behind my cousin Marvin in the gloss orange hat and my Dad has his back to my camera with the license on his back. My Uncle Ralph has the rifle hanging over his shoulder looking my way. Man on the far right without a hat was a family friend, but I can’t recall his name. This was like 35-40 years ago.
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Post by Gene on Mar 15, 2009 8:45:36 GMT 9
that sounds like it could be a scene in the "godfather I"
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Mar 15, 2009 9:45:18 GMT 9
:thumbsup Great story. As you got older and watched TV and movies about gangs, it must have made you wonder even more about the "boys" at the lodge. Did you ever see any of their pictures on the news? The entire episode would be make a very funny movie. When is the book scheduled to be published? :god_bless_usa
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 15, 2009 11:40:22 GMT 9
Jim, That was many many years ago. I don't think I ever gave it much thought. I only got to really know Vince as he came up to our farm and hunted with us often. I never had much contact with the older men at the lodge. The older men at the lodge always went out and sat in the woods and waited for the deer. Vince enjoyed our type of deer hunting more. We would put out standers around a section of forest and a couple of us would walk through the forest and try and push the deer out. Vince also might have needed to keep his knee moving also in the cold weather. I do recall some of the older guys did have some deep accents when they spoke and I'm sure back in New Jersey they were a different type of person. Out in the hills and forests of Pennsylvania they were very nice guys.
My best guess is about two more months of work and then I'll send out my first book proposal to the publisher that expressed an interest in it.
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 16, 2009 4:20:36 GMT 9
This covers jet engine Tech School. it's also still in work as incidents are recalled. i have not choosen a photo or photos for this chapter yet. Technical SchoolWe all had military travel orders, and mine was to the Technical Training Center at Chanute Air Force Base about 125 miles south of Chicago, Illinois. I was going to be attending jet engine school. We were put on an airliner bound for Chicago’s airport, then bussed to Chanute AFB. As we entered the base it was fall and leaves were all over the grounds. I noticed many airman raking and bagging leaves while a few others with colored ropes around their shoulders seemed to watch and supervise the activities. I made a mental note of that for future inquiry. We reached the squadron and processed in and were assigned rooms. Mine was on the upper floor again, but these barracks were fairly new and nice. I inquired about the airman and the colored ropes, and was informed that they were airman leaders. Different colored ropes meant different levels of leadership authority. I figured this would be something good on my military record, so I asked how I could become one. Becoming an Airman Leader required some extra work and extra hours, in the form of classes on Saturdays for a few weeks. Technical school was different than basic training. We now had our weekends to ourselves unless you had CQ (charge of quarters duty). Rope levels were green, yellow, and red; with red being the highest level. During I disagreeignment at Chanute AFB I reached yellow rope. The mechanical and electrical training was very easy for me, but we had a few that were not doing well. If you flunked out you went into security police, cook, or another services type duty. Being the yellow rope in charge of my barracks floor, three airman who were a few weeks behind me came to me one evening and said, “We are likely going to flunk out and we really want to work on aircraft.” They were worried and wanted to know what they should do. I said, “I don’t really know what you all should do, but if you want you can get you books and come back to my room every night and we can have a study group, we can all get through this jet engine school together.” The look of despair on their faces turned to smiles and it made me feel pretty good. The local town of Rantoul was very small. Not much comes to mind as happening at Chanute. I do recall that I was making about $128.00 per month and Richard Nixon was the President. I woke up one morning and there was lots of talk about a huge military pay raise signed by President Nixon. Starting the first of the month my pay was increasing slightly over $200.00 per month. My monthly pay was now about $338.00 per month. As one of the Airman Leaders with a Yellow Rope in my barracks, we were charged with marching the students on our respective floors to and from school and the chow hall. This turned out to be a very easy task as we were all fresh out of basic training and the tasks of marching and drilling movements were fresh in our minds, legs, and feet. Technical School was pretty uneventful for me as I remember. I pulled duty as Charge of Quarters (CQ) once, supervised some extra duties, and marched the students on my floor to where ever we were required to be. I also operated a study group in my barracks room almost every night to cover the day’s class material that other students were having difficulty with. I was stopped one day by a Training Instructor (TI) in passing and he made a comment that, private study groups were discouraged because students were expected to be able to understand and comprehend the technical material on their own. I don’t recall my exact reply, but I basically conveyed back to the TI that I was not aware of that. Later that evening when the other students came to my room for our study group, I informed them what the TI said to me. My thinking was that studying together was discouraged, but not against policy or regulations. We agreed to continue our study group and secessions, but to keep it to ourselves. The day came and I took my final exams. The scores were posted on the schools bulletin board and my name was up close to the top of the scoring list. I’d done very well. I was just glad that I had passed. We had to wait a few days for our assignment orders to be posted on the barracks bulletin board. Until then we had free time and were scheduled extra duties. As a rope I was always assigned supervisory positions during these extra duties. Within a few days an airman ran through the barracks floors yelling, “Orders are posted, orders are posted!” I headed down stairs to the first floor and all the graduates were crowded around the bulletin boards. There were the usual comments, “Oh crap, I didn’t volunteer for that, Why are they sending me there, I don’t want that place,” and a few used words I will not put to page. The crowd was thick, even after some students read their good or bad news, they still stood around blocking the hallway. The Red Rope that had graduated came into the hallway a started saying, “Gang way, move to the side!” so he could see the assignment sheet. Many of the students did move. He wasn’t liked very much because having that Red Rope made him think he was better than the rest of us. He was a fairly big dude from New York City and that might have had some bearing on his attitude. There was a rumor that some students were planning on giving him a blanket party the night before he left. A blanket party is when your blanket is pulled up over your head as you are sleeping and your arms, hands, and feet are held down, while others hit you over and over. This is basically an assault, a crime, and as a Yellow Rope I felt it was my duty and responsibility to report it. But then this was just a barracks rumor and I did not want to engage in rumors with the school staff. I’d be out of here in a few days and this red Rope had been very mean to many students. If he got a blanket party he surely deserved one. I was of the idea, that If you were going to make the military a career and be a leader, then you must lead and help individuals, not harm them. I waited patiently and inched my way up to the bulletin boards as other students got their look and moved on. When I finely got my look I wondered where the heck that base was located. My next stop was the School Staff Office in the barracks where an Air Force Sergeant was always on duty during the day. The office had a worldwide map with all the bases on it. The sergeant would show me where my new assignment was.
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Post by lugnuts55 on Mar 23, 2009 23:45:24 GMT 9
These are great stories and I hope you don't mind a "young snot" adding his two cents worth. I graduated from high school in '67 but worked for two years before going in. I did register for the draft when I turned 18. I went from the Selective Service office right to the Air Force recruiter. I was scheduled for the ASVAB and the physical. I then took the rest of the summer off, since I knew it would be the last one ever. I started working steady for a living by September and worked for two years. I told the recruiter that I wanted to wait for my draft notice. Vietnam was going on strong so, at the time, I was in no hurry to go. In August of '69, I was working as a truck driver and was enjoying myself. I came home one day and in my mail was a letter that began "Greetings". The Army finally decided it was my turn. I called the AF recruiter and he said he didn't have a spot for me right then but he would put me in the Delayed Enlistment Program. That kept the Army away but only for 120 days. 90 days later, I got a postcard from the AF saying I was to report to the induction center in a week. I called my boss and told him the news. I had kept him informed of my situation so he was ready at any time for this. November 7, 1969. I was to report to the induction center at 0610. Why at that exact time, I had no clue. My dad dropped me off at that ungodly hour on his way to work. We said our good-byes and I went inside. There were about a hundred other guys there as well so I didn't feel alone. I reported in and was sent to the Air Force room. I was called by a sergeant to follow him. We went to one of the physical exam rooms where my blood pressure was taken. It was borderline high during one of my previous visits so they wanted to make sure it was OK. It was again borderline high. We both figured it was the stress of the situation that caused this. The medic asked me how badly I wanted to go. I told him I was ready to go so he had me lie down on a bed in the corner and relax. Later my blood pressure was fine and he signed off on it. We both knew that was my last chance to change my mind. I didn't care, I was ready for some excitement and adventure. I got some excitement a short time later when we were all taken into the main assembly room and every other inductee was there. A Marine Corps sergeant in dress blues all spiffied up and impressive looking came in and told us how tough they were and all the rest of their story. When he finished talking, he had us all stand up. He started counting us off one, two, one, two. When he was done, he told all the twos to sit down. I was a two. He directed all the ones to follow him. I heard later that they were all drafted into the Marines. The Army and Marines were the only two branches drafting. I was that close to becoming one of "The Few, The Proud, The Expendable". The rest of the day was long and boring. At lunch time, someone came in and gave us a lunch voucher. We would board a bus to the YMCA for lunch. I don't know if that was supposed to get us ready for military food but it was the worst food I had ever eaten. I wondered if this was what they were serving to Y members. The YMCA wasn't like it is today with nice facilities. It was mostly a place for young men who needed a cheap place to live. Then we went back to continued boredom. Around 1400, we were told we would be boarding a plane at 1630. Shortly after that, we got on a bus for the airport. We scrambled for a phone when we got there to let our parents, friends, girlfriends, or whoever, know we were at the airport and would be leaving at 4:30 pm for San Antonio, Texas. We were all at the gate and family and friends started showing up. We all got our final hugs and kisses and off we went into the wild blue yonder. We boarded a civilian version of a T-29 and flew from Milwaukee to Chicago. O'Hare airport was the biggest scariest airport I had ever seen and during the rest of my time in the AF, I did everything I could to avoid going through Chicago again. I had absolutely no idea where I was supposed to go next but I stayed with a few other guys and we all started running for the next gate. We finally got on a plane for San Antonio. When we got to San Antonio, We again were running around like chicken with our heads cut off. Nobody knew where to go next. Finally we saw an AF sergeant who directed us to a big room where we again waited for what seemed like forever. I guess they had to wait for everybody from all over the country to show up before the busses came for us. The bus took us to Lackland and the first place we went was to a chow hall. It was called "Hell's Kitchen" by the NCO who was on the bus with us. He gave us precise instructions how we were to go in and get something to eat and where to "form up" after eating. He gave us 15 minutes to go in, eat, and meet outside. An hour and a half later, the busses showed up to take us to our flight areas. The next 10 minutes changed my life forever. We got to our stop and the biggest, meanest looking black man with a Smokey Bear hat was waiting for us to get off the bus. All I remember seeing of him were the whites of his eyes and he was shouting and cussing us out for making him be up at this ungodly hour. This was about 0130. Like it was all our fault. We were in the "new dorms" with the pad underneath the barracks. It was nice when it rained, which it seemed to do a lot. I was on the top floor so there were a lot of steps that we could never seem to climb fast enough. The next couple hours were spent filling out some papers that were required to be filled out immediately and getting instructions about things we had never heard of before. I remember there was a post card to write to our folks that we made it and were OK. We were allowed to go to sleep around 0430. The TI was there three hours later to begin our Air Force careers. I wasn't very religious up to this point, but I found myself praying for strength to get me through all these new challenges. I learned that if I went to church on Sunday, it was like a reprieve. It also seemed to help make things a little easier. I also learned not to volunteer. The TI came in one day and asked if anyone knew how to drive a truck. I did, but I wasn't going to volunteer for anything. A few guys raised their hands. They followed the TI out the door and were gone the rest of the day. They said they were picking up garbage all day. Judging from the way they smelled, we had no reason to doubt them. We didn't have to volunteer for much of anything else because our TI volunteered for us. We pulled KP duty four times in the weeks we were there including Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day. Those were the longest days I ever spent working in my life. Graduation was the best part of basic training for me. I rode an AF bus to Sheppard AFB to become a mechanic on jet aircraft, one and two engines. The next five years were great and I never should have left the AF. I'm not really sure why I did. 6 years later, I found myself in the AF Reserve. I went to tech school to be a Combat Arms Instructor. School was at Lackland AFB. It was interesting to be there again but this time I was a Ssgt. I made sure that every time an AB held the door open for me or did something out of respect and fear, I thanked him or her for the courtesy. I remembered very well what it was like for me. Believe it or not, I'm not writing a book. Maybe I should. What do you think?
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Mar 24, 2009 4:08:52 GMT 9
:thumbsup Good story, Lugnuts. Shows how much basic changed from my getting at Lackland in February 1952 to when you were there. Why don't you intend to write a book? Every one of us could, and should. We all have lots of events in our Air Force careers, no matter how long, that should be put in writing. I am writing a couple of books at one time, don't ask me how, just glad for the Open Office menu. I am not writing for publication, but for my kids to know what my life was, and is about, and the places I've been and the things I've done. So give it a shot. If you spend thirty minutes a day you will be surprised how quickly it goes. Jim Scanlon 5 FIS January 1962 - February 1967. The Jack Broughton, Dirty Dick Dalton Era. :god_bless_usa
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Post by lugnuts55 on Mar 24, 2009 6:03:21 GMT 9
Jim, thanks for the kind words. I have actually written a few "life stories" to the hard drive and saved on disc for my daughter and her daughter. I think they might appreciate them later. As I go to these military web sites and read about the experiences of others, my own memories are jogged. Maybe it would get easier once started. Thanks for the encouragement. Mike Kiedrowski
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