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Post by spectre on Dec 29, 2014 17:14:39 GMT 9
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Post by Jim on Dec 29, 2014 23:45:26 GMT 9
No, Spectre, the curvature is only in the windshield frame itself... It matches up with the curved canopy frame of the bubble canopy. The windshield was about an inch thick and had a layer of metal laminated inside to conduct electrical current to heat windshield....... The Old sarge
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Post by LBer1568 on Dec 30, 2014 0:33:04 GMT 9
Concur with Jim. The window was thick and flat but frame had curvature to mate with canopy which was slightly curved to match the airframe.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Dec 30, 2014 1:14:37 GMT 9
I never worked on the modified Six, with the Bubble Canopy and the tapes.
I don't remember for certain, but, was or wasn't the original, Hard Top Canopy, straight on the front frame, as well as the Windscreen Frame?
Maybe not, I don't remember for certain, even though I removed quite a few Canopies.
The B Model never got the later mods, so the Canopy frame and Windscreen were never changed.
I know we have some Egress and Airframe guys, so maybe they can give the answer to my questions.
Anyone got the answer?
Jim Too
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Post by pat perry on Dec 30, 2014 2:50:47 GMT 9
Spectre, The picture in the links you sent were taken with a wide angle lens and the windshield frame also tilts forward which exaggerates the barrel aberration of the camera lens. Look at the wings on the aircraft hanging above the F-106 and note the fact that the horizontal wall in front of the F-106 also looks like an arc.
Here are some pictures taken with a normal lens:
Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Dec 30, 2014 5:20:07 GMT 9
storage.proboards.com/301739/t/r5bopAzmqoOlGzXrbZXs.jpg Pat p and Spectre: Note that the windshield on the flight simulator and that of the old ROUND EYE bird below are different than this windshield... Note that there are screws on 3 side of the frame that hold the glass in.... also note the "stannous oxide" strips that provided windshield heat that the simulator doesn't have... here is a shot of the bird at KI Sawyer with Lee and Lani- note the curvature of the canopy frame... ........
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Jim Scanlon (deceased)
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Dec 30, 2014 6:41:45 GMT 9
storage.proboards.com/301739/t/r5bopAzmqoOlGzXrbZXs.jpg Pat p and Spectre: Note that the windshield on the flight simulator and that of the old ROUND EYE bird below are different than this windshield... Note that there are screws on 3 side of the frame that hold the glass in.... also note the "stannous oxide" strips that provided windshield heat that the simulator doesn't have... here is a shot of the bird at KI Sawyer with Lee and Lani- note the curvature of the canopy frame... ........ Looking at the first picture, with the canopy open, the Windscreen Frame looks quite straight on the open end.
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Jim Too
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Post by pat perry on Dec 30, 2014 9:51:08 GMT 9
storage.proboards.com/301739/t/r5bopAzmqoOlGzXrbZXs.jpg Pat p and Spectre: Note that the windshield on the flight simulator and that of the old ROUND EYE bird below are different than this windshield... Note that there are screws on 3 side of the frame that hold the glass in.... also note the "stannous oxide" strips that provided windshield heat that the simulator doesn't have... here is a shot of the bird at KI Sawyer with Lee and Lani- note the curvature of the canopy frame... ........ Jim, I think when they converted to the bubble canopy they didn't have to change the canopy mating surfaces where the inflatable canopy seal goes. I believe they just removed the old metal overhead beam and the new bubble canopy was molded to fit the old canopy frame. I could be wrong after 46 years.
Somewhere in this forum we have a lot of discussion on the bubble canopy and it being mandatory for the gun pod mod which makes sense when you had dog fight maneuvers and needed to see your target through the top. It also made sense for the in-flight refueling mod when you needed to see the boom drogue when you approached it. Gun mods only went into the vertical tape cockpit aircraft but I could have sworn that we got bubble canopies when our 57 model round eyes went to IRAN for the IFR mod.
The links that Spectre sent made the mating surfaces look really bowed because of the camera lens. All wide angle lenses have a barrel aberration which really distorts the image and especially when you shoot something that is already at an angle. The next worse lens is the "fish eye" which causes a great image distortion. Spectre's pictures were shot on the F-106 at the Dayton Museum of the USAF.
BTW, I loved the clocks you built with the F-106 patches on them. Today I mailed you the picture that Bear left us with the Interceptors flying over the USAF Academy. I wish we had an original print of it rather than the restored one but it may make a fine looking print clock for the 2015 Reunion. And I may have a bottle of Tullimore Dew for you in Colorado Springs.
Pat P.
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Post by LBer1568 on Dec 30, 2014 13:05:48 GMT 9
Pat, I was at Tyndall when we got the in-flight refueling. That was about same as new TACAN and quite a while before the gun mod. We were still doing other mods on 795 in late 60's. I could be wrong, but I left MA-1 in Dec 1970 and I believe 795 was only bubble cockpit there. Lorin
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Post by tmbak on Jan 9, 2015 8:09:44 GMT 9
The windshield was not changed when the bubble canopy was installed. In the early 70's there was a speed line set up at Hamilton AFB for the canopy mod and inflight refueling mod which were done at the same time. The left glass on the windshield was de-iced by hot air. Early one Saturday morning at Loring the alert birds were scrambled and recovered in Goose Bay. When they got ready to return the starter failed on one of the aircraft. I got a starter and tools loaded in one of our B models and we proceeded to go to recover the bird. The pilot forgot to turn off the air to the windshield after testing it. We took off and flew to Goose Bay at 1.6 Mach. The glass got so hot that it cracked to the point where you could not see through it. By the way it only took 21 minutes from takeoff to being in the chocks at the Goose. Sure do miss those days!! Tom
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Post by pat perry on Jan 9, 2015 8:37:12 GMT 9
The windshield was not changed when the bubble canopy was installed. In the early 70's there was a speed line set up at Hamilton AFB for the canopy mod and inflight refueling mod which were done at the same time. The left glass on the windshield was de-iced by hot air. Early one Saturday morning at Loring the alert birds were scrambled and recovered in Goose Bay. When they got ready to return the starter failed on one of the aircraft. I got a starter and tools loaded in one of our B models and we proceeded to go to recover the bird. The pilot forgot to turn off the air to the windshield after testing it. We took off and flew to Goose Bay at 1.6 Mach. The glass got so hot that it cracked to the point where you could not see through it. By the way it only took 21 minutes from takeoff to being in the chocks at the Goose. Sure do miss those days!! Tom HI tmbak, where you been?
Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Jan 9, 2015 9:35:11 GMT 9
The windshield was not changed when the bubble canopy was installed. In the early 70's there was a speed line set up at Hamilton AFB for the canopy mod and inflight refueling mod which were done at the same time. The left glass on the windshield was de-iced by hot air. Early one Saturday morning at Loring the alert birds were scrambled and recovered in Goose Bay. When they got ready to return the starter failed on one of the aircraft. I got a starter and tools loaded in one of our B models and we proceeded to go to recover the bird. The pilot forgot to turn off the air to the windshield after testing it. We took off and flew to Goose Bay at 1.6 Mach. The glass got so hot that it cracked to the point where you could not see through it. By the way it only took 21 minutes from takeoff to being in the chocks at the Goose. Sure do miss those days!! Tom HI tmbak, where you been?
Pat P.
Yeah Tom whereinhell you been? The Old Sarge
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Post by LBer1568 on Jan 9, 2015 23:04:36 GMT 9
The Installation schedule must have been different as it went along. At Tyndall we got the new TACAN/UHF mod at the same time as In flight refueling. That was in late 60's and way before we got Canopy mod. We had 795 as the prototype for gun and it didn't get canopy change until late in gun testing. They did the TACAN/UHF, air refueling etc on site at Tyndall with a depot team and local labor. I remember we had to pull most of MA-1 racks to FOM (Facilitate other maintenance). It was a very in depth mod and they pulled engine and if I remember right took some of "skin" off wings while installing mods. Lorin
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Post by oswald on Apr 29, 2016 23:27:40 GMT 9
Reading most of the posts above, I was curious to find out if anyone remembers [that was in Korea during the 71st presence ] a six losing a canopy while flying in a deluge ?
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Post by Gene on Apr 30, 2016 3:49:29 GMT 9
like a heavy rain storm??? bad stuff
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Post by oswald on Apr 30, 2016 19:32:25 GMT 9
I thought somebody out there might have remembered. He came in real hot but landed it o.k. It was early morning. I wasn't on duty, but I found out about it the next shift.
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