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Jul 13, 2014 23:31:03 GMT 9
Post by jimpadgett on Jul 13, 2014 23:31:03 GMT 9
Were there other CAMRONS? I was in the 343rd CAMRON (11th FIS) at Duluth. Did it go away when the 11th became the 87th? Other CAMRONs elsewhere?
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Post by pat perry on Jul 14, 2014 2:39:15 GMT 9
Were there other CAMRONS? I was in the 343rd CAMRON (11th FIS) at Duluth. Did it go away when the 11th became the 87th? Other CAMRONs elsewhere? Jim, I believe there was a CAMRON at Oxnard AFB, CA when the 456th FIS moved there from Castle AFB in Q3 1968. I had already gone to Okinawa from Castle. I remember the guys from Castle were not happy when the pilots and maintenance were separated into different squadrons.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jul 14, 2014 4:16:10 GMT 9
While I was at the SCAB, 1952-1959, there was a CAMRON a couple of times.
The 79th Air Base Squadron, which I was in, changed to 53rd CAMRON in 1953, then again I was reassigned from the 13th FIS to 53rd CAMRON again in 1959.
When I got to Minot, Jan 1962, I was assigned to the 32nd CAMRON.
We took care of the Sixes for the 5th FIS.
The CAMRON was done away with in mid 1962, when we were absorbed in to the 5th.
No one really liked CAMRONs, but it was an idea that SAC thought was great, so it got dumped on ADC.
Finally someone got some sense and realized that separating the troops from the fighters was not the best idea.
For big stuff, SAC and MATS it might work fine, but not ADC.
When I went to SEA, it was to a TAC fighter squadron, and my other assignments the same.
There were still CAMRONS, but they were mostly shops that the fighter squadrons didn't have.
Working in Maintenance Control on a large base, DaNang, I had to call people from the shops and send them to the fighter squadron, same at Mt. Home, even though I was in a single squadron.
Much of it depended on if you were using 66-1 or 65-3 for your guide.
I have no idea what they do now.
Probably everyone in a pool and dispatched, eventually, to fix something.
I know at Randolph, there are a lot more civilians working the planes than military, even some civilian pilots on some birds.
Jim Too
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Post by Jim on Jul 14, 2014 4:22:41 GMT 9
Jim, there was the 606 CAMRON at Griffiss, when they combined the 27th FIS (F-102), 465th FIS (3 variants of the F-89)- which later became the 49th FIS (with F-101B) )of which I was a member for 10 days- a recipient of revenge by the chief of maintenance of the about to be defunct 606 CAMRON- a story told here earlier) and the 4713th Radar Evaluation Squadron (EB29 and EB 57).. This started in '57 after we got our Deuces, and lasted until we went to Loring and got our SIXES en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4727th_Air_Defense_Group this makes no mention of the 4713 th, BUT I was there and worked with those guys.. Not going to argue with ADC historian Marty Isham, BUT the 465th never had any variant of the F-86D series in 1959 at Griffiss, they were still equipped with F-89s when I left for Loring in late Nov of '59...... In fact there never was an F-86d Squadron at Griffiss... 465th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron The 465th FIS was activated in February 1953 at McChord AFB with F-86Ds. It was deactivated in August 1955 but in October 1955 it was reactivated at Griffiss AFB with F-89Ds. It subsequently received F-89Hs in I956 and F-89Js in 1957. The unit designation was transferred to L.G. Hanscom Field in July 1959, replacing the 49th FIS which replaced the 465th at Griffiss. The squadron remained there flying F-89Js until deactivation on 15 March 1960.
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Jul 14, 2014 15:38:37 GMT 9
Post by 48mms on Jul 14, 2014 15:38:37 GMT 9
I used to have a patch for the 408th CAMRON and lost out on ebay on a 507th CAMRON. Back in 1982 I was at least on paper assigned to the 5010th CAMRON.
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Post by 48mms on Jul 15, 2014 3:12:04 GMT 9
Added a pic of the 343rd CAMRON.
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Post by 48mms on Jul 15, 2014 3:18:59 GMT 9
Hopefully a better pic. . .
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CAMRONs
Jul 20, 2014 21:33:32 GMT 9
Post by oswald on Jul 20, 2014 21:33:32 GMT 9
When I was at Richards Gebaur and the 71st moved to great falls and the base changed to 4676 Camron and I moved to the T-33 maintenance area then met up with Malmstrom as an augmentee that went to Korea.
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Post by sixerviper on Dec 3, 2014 11:37:41 GMT 9
I was in the 343rd at Duluth from Nov 69 to April 71, when the 87th moved to KI Sawyer. I was assigned to the 4787th when it came into existence to fly and maintain the support aircraft for the 23rd AD. Seems to me the 343rd ceased to exist when the 4787th came into existence, but that was a long time ago and my memory isn't what it used to be. My time in Duluth was easily the worst experience of my 36-yr career, and this was due to the fact that the 87th flunked two ORIs in 1970, and I had a trainer who didn't give a damn about me and my OJT progression.
The good thing about my staying back at Duluth when the 87th went to KIS was the fact that it didn't take long for me and the 4787th's Chief of Maintenance to butt heads over a T-29 engine problem. After I told him exactly what I thought about him and his podunk outfit he "screwed" me and got me orders to the 5FIS at Minot. The only ways he "screwed" me was to assure I never went to SEA and he got me out of a lousy unit and into the best Six unit in ADC.
When I joined the VaANG in 1973 I was in a CAMRON, and was in it until 1995. With a small outfit like a Guard wing, what squadron you were in meant absolutely nothing. We were all one, big, happy family. Everybody was on a first-name basis, and it worked, much to USAF's constarnation.
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Post by Mark O on Dec 3, 2014 16:06:07 GMT 9
Oh, the guard! I started out in the Air National Guard BEFORE I went active USAF, and definitely got spoiled!
One of my best memories when I went active duty was when I saw an Ohio ANG KC-135R land at Grand Forks AFB one day in 2003. They were bringing back some of our AD pilots, and crews that deployed with them temporarily. I was driving the "second" expiditer truck, and decided to drive over to their parking spot to see if I knew any of the Ohio crews, as I pretty recently had left the 121st Air Refueling Wing (Ohio ANG) for active duty.
Anyway, it turned out the pilot was the commander of the 121st -- Brigadier General Harry "AJ" Feucht -- whom I knew. I got out of the truck, walked over to him, saluted, and had a nice, short chat. When I got back to the truck all the guys were totally in disbelief that I had the balls to just walk up to a General! I said, "Why the hell not? I talked to him all the time when we worked together, and I lauched, or recovered his jet in Ohio."
Yea, I missed the ANG.
Mark O
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