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Post by MOW on Jan 28, 2013 10:40:41 GMT 9
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Post by LBer1568 on Jan 28, 2013 11:39:10 GMT 9
The 539th FIS had a detachment at Olmstead AFB PA. . I went there several times to fix MA-1 so they could come home. We had full-time crew chiefs and several other specialists stationed there, but no MA-1. Our detachment was onlt full time AF there. They had a F-101 depot there at one time,Middletown Air Depot.
It was funny, the PA Senators got housing built there, but the design was for Homestead, not Olmstead and so they built Capehart Housing units. They had great A/C, but very poor heating.
They also had an Army Guard Unit there. I met the old Sarge in charge of the Army shooting range. He invited us over anytime we wanted. I was able to qualify on 45 cal and one day even got to shoot 50 cal machine gun. What a thrill. We closed the det before we closed 539th in June 1967. I think the base totally closed a couple years later.
Ron probably made a few trips to Olmstead as well. Lorin
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Post by jimpadgett on Jan 28, 2013 23:53:37 GMT 9
I was stationed at Det 1,71FIS/5FIS, Billings IAP, Montana from Jan1970-Jul 1971 when the Det was phased down.
When the Guard took over the 71FIS aircraft, we became Det1, 5FIS. Our exchange was 2 barracks rooms. Our gas station was a one pump operation. No commissary. The Club was a Butler building and was great. Commander's Calls (before I arrived) were held in a bar downtown. We had 4 alert shelters and one hangar. A munitions storage area. The below ground area of the barracks housed the commander's/Admin office, Air Police office, Medic's office, Maintenance Control/CAC. Air Police NCOIC (who doubled as First Sgt). The fire department was on the end of the barracks and was responsible for the entire airport. There was a maintenance building housing vehicle maintenance, POL, AGE and recreation services. The rest of the maintenance folks (including EOD) were had offices in the hangar. The vehicle maintenance folks maintained all of the snow removal equipment for the airport. The POL folks maintained the fuel farm (bladders). When the detachment closed completely, the powerful Senator Mansfield used his influence to have the Air Force "donate" the snow removal and fire fighting equipment to the city. The commander was Major Labernic(sp), Maint Supt was CMSgt Hartfield, Maint Officer was Capt Mohr [(until fired over a failed CI) a story for another time]. Everyone wore at least two hats. An MA-1 guy, SSgt Bartosowitz(sp)(Black Bart) also ran the BX and gas station and drove the bus to Malmstrom to resupply the BX, take the wives on shopping trips to BX and commissary, and pickup items at the clothing supply store on request. Crew chiefs I remember: TSgt Tilberg, TSgt Dukes, and SSgt McDowell. Munitions: MSgt Boyd. Air Police: MSgt Striker and Sgt Tinsley. Vehicle Maint: SSgt Friedt. AGE: SSgt Hill, Sgt Young, and Sgt Ehlers. POL: SSgt Alford, SSgt Rodgers and SSgt Cortez. MA-1: TSgt Goodfellow?, SSgt Parker and Black Bart. We had a softball field (watch for rattlesnakes in the outfield) and hosted tournaments and played in the city league. We were really a part of city activities i.e. United Way street corner collections, transport of prisoners out of the jail/courthouse (bomb threat era), EOD training of police force, annual Yellowstone River float, etc. I'll probably remember more later.
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Post by burnsracing on Jan 29, 2013 13:18:53 GMT 9
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Post by LBer1568 on Jan 30, 2013 0:34:37 GMT 9
I sure do. Sent you e-mail just now. All the best. Great site to meet up with old MA-1/F-106 guys. Tell me about the Racing part of site username. Lorin
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Post by Jim on Jan 30, 2013 9:43:17 GMT 9
Black Bart use to post here, but hasn't been on for over a year and didn't answer emails
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Post by shadowgunner on Jan 30, 2013 16:51:03 GMT 9
I believe around 1974/1975 the 84th (Castle AFB) had a detachment setup at George AFB. Also, jimpadgett, I was at Billings 1967; it was Det 1, 29FIS (Malmstrom) supporting F-101B's. I loved it there, but I only spent 3mos at Billings. I was PCS'd to Minot (5th).
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Post by Mark Foxwell on Jan 31, 2013 2:20:28 GMT 9
When I flew 106s for the 48 FIS at Langley AFB VA from 1965 to 1967, we had a nuclear alert detachment at Byrd Field in Richmond VA When I flew 106s for the 27 FIS at Loring AFB ME from 1969 to 1970, we had a nuclear alert detachment at Bangor Field, Bangor ME When I flew 106s for the USAF Interceptor Weapons School (IWS) at Tyndall AFB FL from 1976 t0 1978, we had a Southern Air Defense alert detachment as a separate flight of IWS right there at Tyndall. (Dixie Darts)
Foxy
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Post by ma1590002 on Feb 1, 2013 0:51:51 GMT 9
Adding to an earlier post, 84th FIS (Castle AFB) established Det 1 at George AFB in Jan '75. It was TDY duty for the first 6 months, then it became a PCS move for most of us. We were based upstairs in the Fire Department for the first year or so while the Alert Barn, which I believe had been unused since the 329th FIS left GAFB in the late 60's. I enjoyed the 4 1/2 years I served there - we always had a great team attitude. Being a 20something person ADC squadron on a TAC generates that!
Cliff Price
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Post by Jim on Feb 1, 2013 3:26:30 GMT 9
When I flew 106s for the 48 FIS at Langley AFB VA from 1965 to 1967, we had a nuclear alert d etachment at Byrd Field in Richmond VAWhen I flew 106s for the 27 FIS at Loring AFB ME from 1969 to 1970, we had a nuclear alert detachment at Bangor Field, Bangor MEWhen I flew 106s for the USAF Interceptor Weapons School (IWS) at Tyndall AFB FL from 1976 t0 1978, we had a Southern Air Defense alert detachment as a separate flight of IWS right there at Tyndall. (Dixie Darts) Foxy You know the TAZ? the 27th also had a Det at Goose Bay after the 59th was deactivated
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Post by Mark O on Feb 1, 2013 4:58:09 GMT 9
Adding to an earlier post, 84th FIS (Castle AFB) established Det 1 at George AFB in Jan '75. It was TDY duty for the first 6 months, then it became a PCS move for most of us. We were based upstairs in the Fire Department for the first year or so while the Alert Barn, which I believe had been unused since the 329th FIS left GAFB in the late 60's. I enjoyed the 4 1/2 years I served there - we always had a great team attitude. Being a 20something person ADC squadron on a TAC generates that! Cliff Price Welcome to the Forums Chris!! (MOW, get this man an avatar!!) I started thinking about a photo I have of some 84th birds, and my notes on this photo say it was taken on 10 October 1979 at "NAFB." (Norton? Nellis?) It's not my photo. I believe I found it on "Replica in Scale" blog, and am writing the blogger to confirm. I'm usually pretty good about giving those guys credit as it's pretty important to the blogger. (BTW, I got one of my old photos published there this past Sunday. Scroll down to the section called "Happy Snaps" to see my photo! replicainscale.blogspot.com/Does anyone recognize this photo location? Notice the TAC insignia on the building (off the noses of the aircraft) with the lightning bolt. That's old TAC as I remember, but this photo was taken just days after the switch from ADCOM to TAC. Anyway, I would love to know if anyone has any other info on this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 5:24:56 GMT 9
dont know if this will help, older pic of one of them couldnt get it to show the other pic, tried both visual and bbc code.
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Post by MOW on Feb 1, 2013 5:30:14 GMT 9
dont know if this will help, older pic of one of them couldnt get it to show the other pic, tried both visual and bbc code. You were using html code with the < > instead of BBCode with [ ]. I'll create a FAQ document on how to use the above Image button and copying in url links.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 1, 2013 5:43:07 GMT 9
MOW beat me to it.
Actually, it's not so much the aircraft I am interested in as where the photo was taken. I was wondering if this was a detachment location.
But hey, we're learning how to post photo links!
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Post by Jim on Feb 2, 2013 3:10:58 GMT 9
tcdlugosh remember Tom Gerken? If you would like to contact him send me an email and I will fwd it to you. the Old Sarge
Good to hear from you Jim. I do not remember any detachments that we had in Canada from 1966 to 1971. Some time in the late 60's or early 70s, after the 59th was deactivated at Goose we took a number of planes to Goose Bay. It was at least 3 as I remember Lt. Col Barton, Bill Davis and myself as being there (long story there). I would guess it was at least 4 planes, maybe six. I don't know if we took ground crews or not. We flew up there and were on 3 hour alert. I have no idea how long I was there but as I recall it wasn't very long and I don't remember if we rotated other planes up there. I don't remember knowing why we were there but I seem to remember we all were wondering why we were there on 3 hour alert. I don't think a detachment was set up for this. Mark Foxwell said something about Bagotville, I don't remember any detachment there during my time. I guess it is possible we did when the Canadian's changed from the CF-100 to the F-101. I do remember flying there with 2 sixes and a T-33 to their big party (don't remember the name of it.) Heck of a party.
Sorry I can't give you more information, I looked at my log book and couldn't find the dates we did this so have had to rely on my OLD memory.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: Jim G To: TomGerken Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2013 8:11 pm Subject: Fwd: RE: Know this guy??? Capt. ( I knew you as a Capt) Tom, what are your recollections concerning 27rh detachments in Canada?...Jim Gier 27 th FIS Ju 56- Dec63 -------- Original Message -------- Subject:
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I flew with Foxy at Loring. He's in my reunion group. One guy who is likely to be knowledgable about 27th detachments in the late 60's and in '70 would be Tom Gerken.
M. Ross
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 4:55:50 GMT 9
Mark,
re: Actually, it's not so much the aircraft I am interested in as where the photo was taken. I was wondering if this was a detachment location.
But hey, we're learning how to post photo links!
I sent that pic to show previous squadron markings, figuring they might provide a memory jog for their earlier location.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 2, 2013 6:43:58 GMT 9
Mark, I sent that pic to show previous squadron markings, figuring they might provide a memory jog for their earlier location. Oh. Well, actually 57-2480 went to the ADWC after the 84th, but thank you... Jun 1959 - 84th F-106 produced by Convair at San Diego CA
15 Jun 59 - To 498th FIS Geiger Field WA 17 Jan 61 - To 498th FIS, 84th FG, Spokane IAP WA 24 Apr 63 - To 456th FIS Castle AFB CA01 Jul 68 - To 456th FIS Oxnard AFB CA
08 Jul 68 - To 437th FIS, 414th FG, Oxnard AFB CA
30 Sep 68 - To 460th FIS, 414th FG, Oxnard AFB CA
01 Dec 69 - To 460th FIS, 408th FG, Kingsley Field OR
01 Oct 70 - To 460th FIS Kingsley Field OR
30 Apr 71 - To 460th FIS Grand Forks AFB ND
17 Apr 72 - To 186th FIS/120th FIG Great Falls IAP MT ANG
20 Sep 74 - To 84th FIS Castle AFB CA (ADC)
01 Oct 79 - Command change from ADCOM to TAC
?? May 81 - To ADWC Tyndall AFB FL
?? Apr 84 - To 101st FIS/102nd FIG Otis AFB MA ANG
29 Jan 88 - To Davis Monthan AFB AZ for storage FN178
19 Aug 92 - To AEL Inc., East Alton IL for drone conversion
13 Nov 92 - To Tyndall AFB FL as QF-106 drone S/N AD211
02 Sep 94 - Shot down on 2nd NULLO by an AIM-120 (9G Kill)
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Post by pat perry on Feb 2, 2013 9:37:05 GMT 9
Mark, I'm going to guess that the picture of 57-2480 was taken at Peterson AFB at ADC HQ in Colorado Springs. Probably taken in late spring or early summer of 1980 because there is no snow on the ground. I know it wasn't taken at Castle because the mountains are too close in the background. Since the 84th Sixes were all transferred to other units in June 81 it could also be a picture taken at a Washington or Montana AFB that has close-in mountains but it sure looks like the Springs to me.
From Wikipedia: 1 October 1979 - Transfer of ADCOM atmospheric defense resources (interceptors and warning radars) to Tactical Air Command (TAC); Air Defense, Tactical Air Command (ADTAC) established as a Numbered Air Force equivalent under Tactical Air Command
31 March 1980 - Aerospace Defense Command inactivated at Colorado Springs, Colorado
From Pat's F-106 main site: September 1973 - the 84th moved to Castle AFB, and in June 1981 was redesignated 84th Fighter Interceptor Training Squadron operating T-33A Shooting Stars. All the F-106's were transferred to other units.
Pat P.
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Post by Mark O on Feb 2, 2013 9:51:51 GMT 9
Hmmm? I don't know for two reasons. First, it's not my photo. I copied it with the file name as "N-somethingAFB". I shortened it to NAFB. I haven't heard back from Phil yet if he remembers this photo. (The owner of the blog.) N and P are too far apart on the keyboard for me to screw that up, but I have made bigger ones that that! Second, the mountains are too close for Pete. I've been there myself, and it's just not right. I've been to Norton too, but that was back around 1980-1981, and really don't remember much. This is Pete. I took this photo myself, and I know the angle, light, etc., etc. can make any photo look different, but the Six photo just doesn't look like Pete to me. Not passing the smell test! I will figure this out!!
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Post by pat perry on Feb 2, 2013 13:46:25 GMT 9
Mark, Could be Nellis AFB. I think they used to have TAC there when they had Red Flag exercises or whatever they called them before Red Flag.
When I Googled Nellis AFB there were a couple of pictures in the fighter area that had the similar looking mountains in the background
Pat P.
Edit: Those are swamp coolers on the roof of the building behind the aircraft so it is probably a dry desert location like Norton or Nellis.
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