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Post by zipper730 on Oct 29, 2016 2:44:17 GMT 9
Pat P.,
Not entirely certain: I'm taking a real-estate course (could be useful), a course revolving around the fundamentals of electricity (it's scary how little people know about electricity), and a course on fire-science (no, I'm not a pyromaniac)
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Post by pat perry on Oct 29, 2016 5:43:37 GMT 9
Pat P., Not entirely certain: I'm taking a real-estate course (could be useful), a course revolving around the fundamentals of electricity (it's scary how little people know about electricity), and a course on fire-science (no, I'm not a pyromaniac) Good for you!
All three have good paying job potential. I have friends in all three categories who have very good careers.
What hobbies do you have? I like drag racing (mechanical end), video & still photography, woodworking, reading, and fishing.
Have you ever considered the military? USAF and Navy have the best electronic training and they pay for you to get a Masters degree.
What are your top five personal values? If you ask 100 people on the street, only 5 will be able to answer that question.
Pat P.
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Post by zipper730 on Nov 1, 2016 10:14:25 GMT 9
Pat P.
Hobbies Spending time-online, Reading, Watching TV, Swimming, Used to be more physically active so there was more stuff in here...
Ever considered the military[/b] Yes when I was a teenager, but I'm almost 33 and I'm not sure if I'd meet the physical fitness requirements anymore (never had spectacular endurance on foot) and discipline has never been a strong point of mine.
Top five personal values Do you mean values I have, or values I admire in others?
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Post by pat perry on Nov 2, 2016 8:14:34 GMT 9
Pat P. HobbiesSpending time-online, Reading, Watching TV, Swimming, Used to be more physically active so there was more stuff in here... Ever considered the militaryYes when I was a teenager, but I'm almost 33 and I'm not sure if I'd meet the physical fitness requirements anymore (never had spectacular endurance on foot) and discipline has never been a strong point of mine.
Top five personal values Do you mean values I have, or values I admire in others?
Zipper: Good question! The values you have and live by often relate to values you admire in others.
www.thebalance.com/identify-and-live-your-personal-values-for-success-1919216
I had never really thought about what my top 5 personal values were until I attended a two day training event at Xerox Corp in Rochester, NY in 1981. The company had course offerings that employees could take for self improvement and job skills. One of the courses had been called "Discovering Your Personal Values". Your manager had to approve your taking the course and pay the cost and allow you time away from the job.
Not many people ever took this course. Later I found out why from the instructor. Managers did not see the value in paying for the course for their employees if they perceived that it would not make the employee more proficient in their job. The instructor renamed the course to "Success Through Employee Productivity" (STEP). The course syllabus had not changed but the next class had 30 participants, including me.
The instructor divided us into 5, 6-person sub groups and told us that if you stop 100 people on the street, only 5 would be able to tell you their top 5 personal values. He gave the sub groups a list of 200 personal values and asked that each person list their top 20 personal values and discuss them.
Then he told us the CEO had said that you must reduce your list to 10 values and discuss them. Next, he said the CEO said you can only have 5 personal values and to discuss them.
The results were life changing for all participants. The group consisted of a diverse group of employees from front line manufacturing and admin workers to high paid professionals like managers, scientists, engineers, designers, etc. Every one of them developed a new course for their careers in that session and told what they were going to do next. A few said, I'm leaving the company and going back to college; some said they were going to transfer to another organization; some said they were going to have a serious talk with their managers; most said they finally learned why they weren't happy in their present jobs and now they knew how to deal with it in a new manner.
I learned that my top 5 values were integrity, family, self-esteem, achievement, and wisdom. I have a few more but these 5 changed my life for the better. Three weeks ago, I attended a memorial service for my best friend of 38 years who was killed in a traffic accident. I was able to tell 200 people in attendance that he and I shared exactly the same values.
That's why knowing your top 5 personal values will forever change your life.
So, what are yours?
Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Nov 2, 2016 9:43:53 GMT 9
Pat P. HobbiesSpending time-online, Reading, Watching TV, Swimming, Used to be more physically active so there was more stuff in here... Ever considered the militaryYes when I was a teenager, but I'm almost 33 and I'm not sure if I'd meet the physical fitness requirements anymore (never had spectacular endurance on foot) and discipline has never been a strong point of mine.
Top five personal values Do you mean values I have, or values I admire in others?
Zipper: Good question! The values you have and live by often relate to values you admire in others.
www.thebalance.com/identify-and-live-your-personal-values-for-success-1919216
I learned that my top 5 values were integrity, family, self-esteem, achievement, and wisdom. I have a few more but these 5 changed my life for the better. Three weeks ago, I attended a memorial service for my best friend of 38 years who was killed in a traffic accident. I was able to tell 200 people in attendance that he and I shared exactly the same values.
That's why knowing your top 5 personal values will forever change your life.
So, what are yours?
Pat P.
Zipper, I have been told that GOD talks to fools. But looking around me today, he either isn't talking loud enough, or often enough....... Listen closely my friend, being close to 33 means that you are 14 years past being a teenager. If the traits or values that you admire in others weren't in your bucket list to acquire before you got to be 21, then you probably won't ever acquire them. Like I use to tell the young Senior Airmen/SSgt going through the base leadership academy (an Air Training Command requirement for re-enlistment), look around you, there are great examples in the NCO corps here on base to emulate, to listen to and to learn from. BUT you need to decide what values you want to add to your character/reputation. The first should be integrity, if you don't have that, you are the poorest SOB I will ever have the displeasure of meeting..... All other traits, characteristics or as you say "values" are based on this one foundation stone..... The Old Sarge
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Post by Jim on Nov 3, 2016 5:05:16 GMT 9
All is quiet on the zipper front?
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Post by zipper730 on Nov 4, 2016 12:59:55 GMT 9
Pat P.
Core values: It's hard to keep it to keep it to no more than 5.
I tend to value honesty and fairness in addition to those things, as well as a willingness to stand up for what's right: The world would be a lot better of some people would just stand up and say "Look, this ain't right".
I think most people want security, happiness & good self-esteem, close friends and family you can rely upon, the ability to have some time to one's self for fun and relaxation.
That's over 5 items
Jim,
1. My point was that I'd considered it as a teenager, but even then I realized discipline wasn't a strongpoint of mine (I can be moody and irritable) and my endurance on foot wasn't good enough. These would all be qualities that would be unsuitable for a serviceman.
2. Actually I sort of did: Honesty, fairness, a willingness to stand up for what's right. That basically is honesty and integrity.
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Post by pat perry on Nov 4, 2016 22:18:44 GMT 9
Pat P. Core values: It's hard to keep it to keep it to no more than 5. I tend to value honesty and fairness in addition to those things, as well as a willingness to stand up for what's right: The world would be a lot better of some people would just stand up and say "Look, this ain't right". I think most people want security, happiness & good self-esteem, close friends and family you can rely upon, the ability to have some time to one's self for fun and relaxation. That's over 5 items Jim, 1. My point was that I'd considered it as a teenager, but even then I realized discipline wasn't a strongpoint of mine (I can be moody and irritable) and my endurance on foot wasn't good enough. These would all be qualities that would be unsuitable for a serviceman. 2. Actually I sort of did: Honesty, fairness, a willingness to stand up for what's right. That basically is honesty and integrity.
Good reply Zipper. I'd say you could add independence to your list, as well. Nothing wrong with having more than 5 personal values.
In that class I described earlier, the biggest revelation that most participants had was that, deep down, they knew what their top five values were but they seldom acted on them. They had set no real goals for themselves and tended to just accept the status quo wherever they were. Armed with this new found knowledge, they set their goals and went after them. They were no longer a "rudderless ship". They sought only goals, groups and other people that were compatible with their personal values.
Most of us who spent time in the military got out with a far different attitude than we went in with. One aspect of that is we became more goal oriented.
What are your goals?
Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Nov 5, 2016 0:51:53 GMT 9
Strange, zip, you listed honesty before integrity. In today's wildassed world, they are not the same thing. Honesty now means you don't steal.. Have you ever heard Hillary use "honest or honestly" when describing herself? Perhaps you listed honesty before integrity because H comes before I in the alphabet? At almost 33, you are still taking wildly unrelated courses in college, You are on your way coming an "educated fool".....Hold on you guys with the parchment certificates hanging on the wall in your home..... Stop, turn around and take a look back at where you were and what were you doing when you were almost 33....... Do you see any similarity? I thought not.... When I was almost 33 (49 years ago), I had been to 10 tech schools, had taken a forgotten number of correspondence courses- all goal oriented-PROMOTION. I was 10 years from retirement, a couple of years from becoming a MSgt. We knew where to hell we wanted go and drove ourselves towards that goal. Still searching at 33??? I have twin daughters (adopted) that will be 58 next week, who never did really find themselves, and now it is too late to find themselves. Zipper, with the high skill requirements of your previous employments and all of your varied educational endeavors you are never going to "FIND YOURSELF, because you aren't looking. Who is paying for all of this education you are getting while unemployed? Unemployment only last so long.... Do you file and report on line? Or, are you honestly going from place to place, really looking for employment? You sound similar to my daughters, who, although they had high paying jobs when they were your age, were still searching for their lost selves. Today they don't have a pot to *iss in or a window to throw it out of, and they are still lost. Sounds like you are sliding down that same slope, get off your arse and off the dole and make a meaningful contribution to society. I don't think I am wrong in my evaluation of you. Follow Pat P's advice, with this admonition take the S off of the word GOALS and get to work on one goal. There is a G.I. Message in between the lines here. See if you can read it. The Old Sarge.
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Post by Bullhunter on Nov 5, 2016 3:04:41 GMT 9
A wise old Chief Master Sgt once told me when I was a young Airman back in early 1972 this. "I'm not interested in excuses - only results !"
I know a few people who have lots of diplomas and schooling, but don't have the results behind it. I knew in high school what I want to be part of, and what I wanted to do. I enlisted after the eleventh grade and finished my senior year at night while working on jet aircraft during the day. Then got two college degrees and went to many USAF schools for leadership. I'm happy and pleased with all my choices. Now retired and have a good income. My wife is the same.
That Old Chief Master Sgt was correct. Never be interest with excuses - just results. When my kids have hit me with excuses for crap they did or tried I hit them with the Old Chief's wisdom.
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Post by zipper730 on Nov 5, 2016 8:57:11 GMT 9
Pat P.,
1. That's good that I can have more than five, regardless: I think adding independence to the list is a good one. 2. That makes enough sense that people would not always act on their values or even have taken full stock of them. People have blind-spots. 3. I guess once you know what your values are, it becomes much easier to pursue them
Jim,
1. Honesty doesn't mean you don't steal: It means you tell the truth, are straight forward, and direct; Hillary Clinton saying she's honest is meaningless as she has no conscience. 2. All the subjects I've searched have decent career paths; real-estate is the easiest to get into and require the least qualifications; a knowledge of electricity and fire (mostly avoiding conditions that lead to it) seem practical for avoiding purchasing property that would be frankly dangerous (plus, I'm not a fan of buying useless stuff, that's why I have an old fashioned flip phone from 2004 -- still works). 3. There does appear to be a trend for people over the past 20-30 or so years spending a lot of time 'finding themselves', I'm not sure why. 4. I'm aware I haven't accomplished much in my lifetime: In fact, I usually just lie about this sort of thing to avoid criticism on the matter.
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Post by zipper730 on Nov 11, 2016 15:28:25 GMT 9
Can I get back onto track, since the topic was mostly about high-altitude penetration by supersonic bombers?
So far what I got is as follows
1. Mock penetration by B-58 against ADC at speed & altitude were generally a failure a. The Six was fast enough to get into position and had sufficient maneuverability to set-up for a Genie shot b. The Genie's kill-radius was sufficient to destroy the bomber c. While Lorin didn't technically reveal the Sixes effectiveness against the B-58's ECM, the fact that it could make fairly quick work of the B-52, seem to indicate it'd handle the Hustler just fine.
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Post by LBer1568 on Nov 12, 2016 0:15:01 GMT 9
Can I get back onto track, since the topic was mostly about high-altitude penetration by supersonic bombers? So far what I got is as follows 1. Mock penetration by B-58 against ADC at speed & altitude were generally a failure a. The Six was fast enough to get into position and had sufficient maneuverability to set-up for a Genie shot b. The Genie's kill-radius was sufficient to destroy the bomber c. While Lorin didn't technically reveal the Sixes effectiveness against the B-58's ECM, the fact that it could make fairly quick work of the B-52, seem to indicate it'd handle the Hustler just fine. I guess I have a question about your questions. What does it matter how our fighters compared against our bombers? They would never fight each other. It's all what if stuff. We used the bombers... B-52, B-58, B-57, etc to test our defensive posture. There were restrictions for our Battle Exercises to better simulate Soviet Bomber fleets which lacked many of the USAF Bomber capabilities. So it's just best guesses and useless discussions. Sorry if I offend you, but who gives a rats a$$? None of the responses are based upon real life scenarios because we never really fired a weapon, we just conducted simulator weapons tests which showed that our weapons locked on and simulated a launch. The probability of Kill (PK) factor was hypothetical at best. PS our sixes at McGuire's 539FIS had repeated success against all the bomber threats tossed our way. And by the way we used the B-57 as a target much more often than B-52 and B-58. Lorin
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Post by zipper730 on Nov 12, 2016 10:05:37 GMT 9
Lorin,
The probability of kill is something I almost forgot about: I remember a lot of failure of missiles in Vietnam were due to the fact that when they were tested, they were often against targets that were either not maneuvering, or doing light maneuvering; another issue was the fact that missiles when tested were in pristine condition: In combat conditions that can vary. I'm not sure how the maintenance of missiles at ADC varied from battlefield conditions (I assume better, but the US has varied climate conditions...)
As for the capabilities of the enemy interceptors of the time, I'm not sure how much was mentioned here except for the Tu-128
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Post by Jim on Nov 12, 2016 10:29:59 GMT 9
Zipper,is your memory really that short???Your "What ifs?" are a pain in the ass!! Hypothetical questions, which most of yours are, require, to coin an old AF term, A WAG, or wild assed guess. Most of us in here can provide real answers to most of your questions, provided they are "REALLY" questions. Read Lorin's reply concerning the anal area of a RAT. You don't even have to second guess his meaning.
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Post by zipper730 on Nov 13, 2016 11:17:13 GMT 9
Okay...
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Post by Bullhunter on Nov 13, 2016 15:16:38 GMT 9
Gentleman,,,,,, I have not seen or read much lately in this thread about aircraft. Why is that, just asking?
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Post by zipper730 on Nov 14, 2016 6:10:28 GMT 9
Bullhunter,
1. I didn't take the thread off topic: I was asked questions (honestly ones that made little sense, but they're moderators, I answered). 2. My questions were totally aviation based at first.
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