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Post by Cougar on May 6, 2004 2:44:19 GMT 9
Which Squadron is credited with conducting the first recorded kill of a live target by an F-106 , in essence un-officially qualifying the Delta Dart as a combat ready acft?
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Post by Norm Weiderhaft on May 6, 2004 10:38:02 GMT 9
Was it the 83rd FIS from Loring? We shot down (2) missiles while TDY to Tyndall in September 1971. Had a great beer party on flight line that afternoon !!!!
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Post by Jim on May 6, 2004 11:45:02 GMT 9
Was it the 83rd FIS from Loring? We shot down (2) missiles while TDY to Tyndall in September 1971. Had a great beer party on flight line that afternoon !!!! 12 yrs after the 27th FIS rec'd those planes ;D ;D ;D ;D NO WAYNHELL ;D ;D ;D ;D Fact o matter, as far as the 27th FIS- (BACK N THE DAYS OF THE REAL ADC), Capt Palozi QAULIFIED the last 6 in the squadron using KENTUCKY WINDAGE(some o them black boxes a gone KAPUT) and shot down his target.....I be a believin it be 1961, some 10 years earlier d**ned shame TAC wanted low numbers with history attached.. A/C and pilots were qualified with out taking part in WM TELL Any body REMEMBER when the FIRST WILLIAM TELL WAS AND WHERE IT WAS HELD HINT-SURNHELL WASN'T TYNDALL :-*an a tip o me fine derby an ye party a bein justified BTW
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Post by Cougar on May 6, 2004 16:37:45 GMT 9
Be reading the question Sarge ;D, and think 4 years later.
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Post by Cougar on May 6, 2004 16:39:50 GMT 9
Any body REMEMBER when the FIRST WILLIAM TELL WAS AND WHERE IT WAS HELD HINT-SURNHELL WASN'T TYNDALL :-*an a tip o me fine derby an ye party a bein justified BTW First meet took place in June 1954 at Yuma, Arizona. It was the Air-to-Air Rocketry Phase of the Air Forces Fighter Gunnery and Weapons Meet, with ADC and ATC as the only competitors. The third meet, last one held in Arizona, was in 1956 and it was called "William Tell". Two years later the USAF Worldwide Air-to-Air Weapons Meet was moved to Tyndall AFB. Which F-106 Squadrons were the winners through the years
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Post by Jim on May 6, 2004 23:11:55 GMT 9
HEY PANTHER Ye be right!!!!!!!!!Either your research is good,or ye a bein there I was there in 56 with the 21st FTR BMR WG (Known as the Desert Rats) from Chambley AB, France-- we were the USAFE special weapons champs with our LABS AND HABS delivery systems ........ It was really impressive to watch those F-86s make the LABS runs
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Post by Cougar on May 7, 2004 0:50:18 GMT 9
HEY PANTHER Ye be right!!!!!!!!!Either your research is good,or ye a bein there Just a matter of research Jim, made easy because you didn't post a trick question I had to think about. On being there in 54 -- I was in 7th grade in 54, and never had an opportunity to meet Wilber and Orville. We still have the matter of the original question being unanswered: "Which Squadron is credited with conducting the first recorded kill of a live target by an F-106, in essence un-officially qualifying the Delta Dart as a combat ready acft?"
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Post by Cougar on May 8, 2004 5:19:29 GMT 9
"Which Squadron is credited with conducting the first recorded kill of a live target by an F-106, in essence un-officially qualifying the Delta Dart as a combat ready acft?" One clue at a time: the recorded kill of a live target occurred in 1965.
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Post by Jim on May 8, 2004 7:50:45 GMT 9
One clue at a time: the recorded kill of a live target occurred in 1965. What constitutes a "live" target How could an operational interceptor go six years without being qualified Either officially or unofficially.. What weapon was fired??? Front rail(s), Rear rail(s) or was it a conventional explosive loaded MB-1 Were the original qualifications run at Tyndall done with WSEMS - Seems to me I remember the Ryan Firebee being used at Tyndall-----what for I be a tippin me fine derby to ye :-*an a bendin me right elbow a time o two
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Post by Cougar on May 9, 2004 15:27:46 GMT 9
What constitutes a "live" target Seems to me I remember the Ryan Firebee being used at Tyndall-----what for I be a tippin me fine derby to ye :-*an a bendin me right elbow a time o two A live target is a manned flight ; the Ryan Firebee "Q2" was an unmanned target drone; both flown occasionally at Tyndall . Clue #2: the event occurred on 07 Jul 65, an I be bendin my right elbow to you
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Post by Cougar on May 12, 2004 7:15:37 GMT 9
Which Squadron is credited with conducting the first recorded kill of a live target by an F-106 , in essence un-officially qualifying the Delta Dart as a combat ready acft? Clue # 3: The incident occurred in the Eglin Gulf Range, the flight launched out of Tyndall AFB.
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Post by LtCol M. Ross Shulmister on Jul 24, 2004 4:21:44 GMT 9
In the Tyndall case, the live target apparently wasn't "hostile."
I have my doubts about whether that qualifies as making the '6 "combat qualified."
I had the privilege, along with wingman Vance Hedin, of actually intercepting a group (about 39) of Russian "Bears" between Newfoundland and Iceland. That qualified as a "combat" mission under the circumstances, as it was a live scramble with live missiles on board. Luckily for the World, we decided not to determine whether the '6 was combat qualified.
LtCol M. Ross Shulmister USAF Ret. (27th F.I.S.)
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Post by Cougar on Aug 20, 2004 22:01:46 GMT 9
In the Tyndall case, the live target apparently wasn't "hostile." The incident occured at Tyndall, in July 1965. The live target was an F-102 on an observation flight. There was a mix-up on the range and bingo, a 106 from the 456th out of Castle blew the duece out of the air. They fished the pilot out of the water, he was ok. It is rumored however that he soiled his linen.
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