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Post by Mark O on May 4, 2013 5:51:24 GMT 9
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on May 4, 2013 8:24:30 GMT 9
The latest information I could find is from the Kansas City Star, http: \\www.kansascity.com/2013/05/03/4216022/kc-135-tanker-crashes-in-kyrgyzstan.html
It indicates all three crew members were killed.
However, the nose of the airplane has not been found, so they can't be sure, at this point.
A witness on the ground says the plane exploded in the air.
Interesting.
The Air Force has been slow in getting information out.
I'm sure that is because they don't want to jump the gun on the status of the crew.
It doesn't appear the tanker was carrying passengers, which is a good thing.
However, if it is found there were passengers, that is a bad thing.
Jim Too
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Post by LBer1568 on May 4, 2013 23:51:21 GMT 9
News today says they found 2 sets of remains out of 3 crewmembers. How could a KC-135 Tanker fly with 3 crewmembers? Pilot, co-pilot, Nav and Boom operator is normal crew isn't it. That would be 4. Lorin
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Post by Gene on May 5, 2013 5:24:15 GMT 9
the ones I used to load with cargo usually had 2 boomers... I think the navs were elimintated like on the newer 141's, c17's ect.
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Post by Mark O on May 7, 2013 9:24:43 GMT 9
News today says they found 2 sets of remains out of 3 crewmembers. How could a KC-135 Tanker fly with 3 crewmembers? Pilot, co-pilot, Nav and Boom operator is normal crew isn't it. That would be 4. Lorin They got rid of the Navs with the "Pacer CRAG" (Compass, RADAR, and GPS) mod back in 2000/2001 time frame. The tankers have been crewed by three - pilot, co-pilot, and boom - since then.
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Post by Bullhunter on May 12, 2013 12:45:43 GMT 9
Wife and I are trying to catch a space-a hope. This does not make me relaxed. I feel bad for the crew and their families.
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Post by Mark O on Mar 14, 2014 15:29:43 GMT 9
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Post by Jim on Mar 14, 2014 23:40:43 GMT 9
This is scarier than the famed JC maneuver that killed Capt Joe McConnel (Korean Ace) in an F-86 and got a lot of F-101B a/c.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll..... But as with most USAF aircraft accident investigation boards, when you can't prove conclusively mechanical failure, it will be blamed on aircrew error or maintenance error. And, because enlisted members on a board have no decision rendering capabilities, we are, basically told to shut up. The 2 biggest vocal clashes I ever had with officers was while a member of 2 accident investigation boards. One trying to prove that it was mechanical failure and not student pilot error- hardness and NDI tests finally proved that it was a brittle casting in the flight control mixer assembly on a T-38. (Testing was done at OAMA -Hill AFB, because they had the most extensive metallurgical testing facilities in the AF at the time) I finally won after I refused to "shut up and sit down". The other one was definitely maintenance error having to do with an improperly installed bolt in the flight control mixer assembly. The idiot chief investigator wanted to blame the FCF pilot for part of the accident, until I asked him "Col., have you ever flown a T-38 with a locked up elevator control system?", "No, but why didn't he use the trim system to help control the nose down condition?" "Sir, what makes you think that if he couldn't move the surface with mechanical hydraulic input, that he could move the surface electrically ?" Case closed and maintenance ate the loss of an aircraft. Surprised they didn't try to accuse the boom operator of trying to fly the boom with it in the stowed position..........................
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