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Post by Bullhunter on Jan 21, 2008 2:55:07 GMT 9
This incident is about the scariest I ever went through and it involve my two children and the daycare center. One cool foggy day at Sembach Air Base in West Germany I went to pick up my two children eary from the daycare center. I guess it must have been just after lunch as I got the rest of the day off for some reason. I'd become a single parent with full custody of my two children. So I like to have extra time with my children whenever possible. Civil engineers came out earlier to kill moles that were in the ground. They filled the mole hills and tunnels with some kind of gas and then left. I came to pick up my kids and the girls up front at the counter could hardly talk and seemed ready to pass out. I knew something was wrong and something slightly smelled odd so I started an evacuation of the childcare center and called in an emergency. When I got the emergency folks on the phone they wanted to know if there was a fire or what was wrong. I said "I don't know what the hell is wrong everyone seems screwed up like there is a gas leak or something and you need to get here now - lots of children around here." At the time I did not know about gassing the moles. Every fire truck, aid care, police vehicle, and EOD showed up. All kinds of Officers running around, and then parents started to show up. When it was all over I did not even get a thank-you, job well done, extra day off, or an award. After that I got my children in with a friend and his wife. They had 3 girls about my kids age. I did this because of my TDY's at no notice and often over niters. Unless the base was on an alert the daycare center closed. I learned later that because of the cool air and fog the gas that excaped from the ground did not rise up into the atmisphere but was held down by the cool moist air. I also believe they didn't secure the mole hole openings very well. This incident was pretty much kept hushed up and I don't remember ever seeing it printed in the base paper. I don't know why I was give the rest of the day off. I was just asked if I'd like to go home early - and they did not have to ask me twice. The Lord does work in strange ways. Guess maybe he used my supervisor and I to save the children and the daycare workers that foggy day.
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Post by lindel on Jan 21, 2008 3:28:24 GMT 9
Wow! Glad everything turned out ok.
Nothing like that ever happened at the Grif that I know of, but we (the mock-up troops) watched the fire dept try to put out a fire on SAC hill one afternoon. Turned out the vapors coming off of an underground tank had ignited and they couldn't get the lid to the tank cooled off enough to keep it from reigniting the vapors for quite some time.
Had we known the situation (underground fuel tank) we'd have left for the night!
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Post by ritchie1selfridge on Apr 14, 2008 1:11:24 GMT 9
Anyone out there remember the Great Selfridge Fire of January 1963 ?? Lost two "Sixes" and a Maintenance shelter, when the external fuel tanks were accidently dropped ( shear pins not replaced) during a tail hook update.
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Post by az09 on May 2, 2008 8:07:45 GMT 9
Hamilton AFB, Ca - 1969 to 1971
Night Flying - surges - Sq Commander and DCM attempted a side by side landing in the dark-thirty hours. One "flared" too early, hitting short,with NO wheels on the ground, engaging the near barrier and the other pilot got spooked by his "Wing guy" and took the far barrier. The double engagment was the talk of the line for just a little while, then it was hushed up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Normal flying day One young pilot was having trouble solo-ing the SIX. After many hours of extra flights he finally got his certification. The very next flight he had to declare an emergency, due to his canopy getting ripped off by a 600+ knot slip-stream, taking the vertical stab off at the red-white-blue bolt level on the plane. To his credit, he did get it back on the ground safely. However, he walked around following a senior pilot for 6 months before he could solo again. He did learn how to properly lock down the canopy after that one flight. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Week-end Duty-Saturday One week-end on stand-by the line was closing down to go home. The line of 20 Darts all had their weapons bay racks and doors extended and open. The line expeditor had the duty and was trying to get his troops home early. We engine guys were cleaning up the office and filling out paper work. The line MSgt and his helper was walking down the row of Darts and were quick closing the racks and doors. In perfect rythems the yell of "rack", thud - "doors" - slam could be heard one after the other. In the middle somewhere the command "rack" - thud, "doors" - psssst "crack" / "snap" / "bang" was heard. On first look one of the safety locks was still installed and the SIX had sheared the door hinges when the 3000 lbs of pressure "quick" closed or tried to close. Snapped both doors . -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Engine Change in the Hangar We were always too busy to do the rail modifcation on the engine change rails and the engine trailers. Sometimes the rails would pull off the front rail mount bracket and when we would push the engine back the rails would bend down under the engine's weight and it would not roll anywhere. Once this had happened and the supervisor got the big A-7 hoist and hooked up to the left front mount and took the weight off the rail and then shoved the rail back into rail mount. Then we pulled the egine out with no problems.
A later engine change just the next week. Same thing happened. Different supervisor. He was told to use the A-7 hoist like the previous guy had done. OH NO, he had his own ideas, a 12 ton house jack. He drove home, got his jack, came back and told the crew to go take a break. He would be responsible for the "fix". YES, he was found responsible for breaking out the belly spar in the engine bay when he started jacking up the engine and the jack was pushed down through the spar and bay. Took a year to get that aircraft back O/R.
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Post by Bullhunter on May 2, 2008 9:03:45 GMT 9
I got photo's someplace of the Griffiss AFB Commassary fire. Lost the whole commassary and all the last few days receipts and checks were toasted and burned inside the safe. Those that shopped that day and likely the day before and wrote checks got some free food. If I run accross the pic's I'll post them.
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Post by lindel on May 2, 2008 11:27:05 GMT 9
Too bad I didn't shop in the commissary until the 80's. Just my luck! LOL
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Post by ikar on May 5, 2008 12:18:49 GMT 9
In the mid to late 70s at Littlerock we got a call that a squadron of fighters sitting on the transit ramp had been damaged and were being held for repairs and an investigation.
These aircraft were to be flown to another country where they would be turned over to their new owners. WHen the pilots went to check their aircraft they found the tube on each radome had been bent down at similar angles.
The cause was eventually tracked to someone in maint. who decided to take a look at the aircraft on his way home. For some reason he decided to use the tube on one ship as a piece of exercise equipment. WHen it bent he decided to make all of them lookthe same in the hopes that no one would notice.
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Post by az09 on May 6, 2008 0:13:07 GMT 9
1980 - RAF Bentwaters
Rendelsham Forrest UFO incident - I was running the night shift of the Jet Engine Intermediate Maintenance Shop (JEIM), when a flightline guy came for a K-balled part for his jet. He told us that the Base Commander , Col. Hault had a UFO tree'd over in Rendelsham Forrest.
We all laughed and went about our business of fixing engines. The next day there was minimal talk about the incident. Life around the base returned to the everyday job of flying "low and slow" blowing up Russian Tanks.
15 years later in retirement mode, watching cable TV, A show about UFO incidents is on. The longest segment was about the 1980 incident at Rendlesham Forrest. Col. Hault gave a full accounting of the UFO landed on the ground, the investigation of the burn marks left after the UFO left the area. Just outside the fences of RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge, homes to the largest Tactical outfit in the world at that time.
We surely are not alone!!!!
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Post by az09 on May 6, 2008 0:44:00 GMT 9
1982 - RAF Bentwaters - Propulsion Branch
The parking around the Engine Shop was very short in numbers of slots to the large amount of people who worked there. So parking next to the hangar was a common fact of life, even though it was a NO PARKING area.
Richard Hobbs owned a DATSUN car, bought it brand new there in England. Planned on shipping it to his next assignment. He parked it right next to the shop exit.
One sun shiney day the Test Cell guys came in to load the "Test" QEC onto a engine ready for testing. They used the chain hoist as usual to lift the QEC into place, hooked up all the nessary stuff. Backed the Tow Tug into place, hooked up the engine trailer. The go ahead was given and the driver slowly pulls out of the shop, right past the parked cars.
Little did anyone know about the chain-falls of the overhead hoist caught on the bolts of the engine rail of the trailer. The farther away from the hoist the engine went the higher off the ground the engine and trailer was lifted.
The engine and trailer was "flipped" over on its side, right on top of the British racing green DATSUN. The car was crushed, but the tires stayed inflated. In fact after the guys got the engine and trailer off the car, Richard was able to drive the car to the insurance company lot on base to make his claims. Richard Hobbs is a "big" guy and him scrunched down under the mashed in roof was really "clown comical" in its image.
The TF-34 was inspected and cleared for operation. I guess you can say Datsuns and G.E. engines can "take a licking and keep on ticking".
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Post by ikar on May 6, 2008 13:18:33 GMT 9
Littlerock...There was a serious problem with the theft of the 8 day clocks out of the Herks. It turned worse when they also started to smash instruments on the flight deck.
The next step was to put lead weights wrapped in white cloth in the intakes. Fortunately these were found by the people they would slide into the intakes for inspections.
One time my wife's aircraft came back with a tail ramp that was off center and packed with dirt. Scott sent down a T-39 with an inspection team to do the investigation. The T-39 declared an IFE and the Fire Dept. foamed the paved runway. The aircraft landed on the grass between the foam and the dirt strip. MAC HQ had to send another team for the T-39 which spen some time on jacks in one of the smaller hangers.
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Post by redman on May 27, 2008 22:26:33 GMT 9
12 Aug '81 at the Griff we had a routine engine checkout of a J-75, S/N P610541 being the 49th we did not have our own test cell we had to use SAC's. Those guys were pretty cool with us and we got along just fine and often indulged in suds when warranted. After the initial hookup, checks and idle run all was well, readings, pressure's etc were in limits. At the time I was the technician on the ground, Ssgt Joe Pitassi was at the controls and A1c Kevin McCaffrey was fire guard. After several minutes of idle, Joe took the engine to max power and was noted we were not where we need to be, a military power fuel control adjustment was in order. Upon max power and stabalized I crawled underneath to adjust, while in the process I noticed hot sparks were burning my forearm, I looked up and noticed a nickel sized hole burning through the diffuser case, my communication with Joe was broken up, I could hear him clearly through the headset but he had trouble hearing me, the hole got bigger very quickly and just opened up the size of a grapefruit and flames were coming everywhere, I didn't know I could fly but I flew out of there much like a 106 in A/B on takeoff! I along with Kevin began fighting the fire, Joe showed up out of nowhere and assisted, we were using every fire bottle they had to stop the flames from ungulfing the whole test cell and reaching the fuel tanks of JP4, we had it about out by the time the fire trucks arrived. The 3 of us looked like casper the friendly ghost!
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Feb 2, 2009 4:30:07 GMT 9
Anyone out there remember the Great Selfridge Fire of January 1963 ?? Lost two "Sixes" and a Maintenance shelter, when the external fuel tanks were accidently dropped ( shear pins not replaced) during a tail hook update.
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Post by jakesmart on Feb 2, 2009 14:21:21 GMT 9
Anyone out there remember the Great Selfridge Fire of January 1963 ?? Lost two "Sixes" and a Maintenance shelter, when the external fuel tanks were accidently dropped ( shear pins not replaced) during a tail hook update. Oh yeah, I remember that one. I think the problem was that one of the OMS troops intended to operate the hook drop switch (a safety wired toggle switch with a red guard) located near the bottom left corner of the instrument panel "by feel", from the ladder rather than actually "seeing" the switch, and instead, managed to actuate the tank drop switch, which was similar to the hook drop switch. I believe the "un-totaled" a/c (763, if I recall correctly) is, or was, on a stick near the chapel at the academy. Do you remember the giant tarp that covered the burned out shelter during an open house that spring?
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 3, 2009 5:00:34 GMT 9
Whilst at Sioux City Air Base (SCAB), Iowa in the 1950s, we had a major who was a cargo type pilot. He was a bit of a martinet and made every crew chief's life miserable. When he was still a captain he checked out in the C82 and then the C119. He was supposed to be a maintenance officer, but seldom got out on the line. He drove a Packard Patrician and parked it where ever he wanted to. Usually next to the hanger on the grass. About the time he made major he was transferred to the 14th FIS, which had F86D aircraft. He began flying the T-Birds to get prepared to fly the F86. No problems with the T-Bird. He also began "flying" the F86 simulator as prep for his F86 flying. Well, things were not going badly and he finally began flying the Dog Saber and getting used to it and was going to go on a cross-country hop. That's when the situation changed. He got to the end of the taxiway at the north end of the main runway, and began the pre takeoff check list. He closed the canopy and the next thing that happened was reported by the pilot who had mobile tower duty that day. The mobile tower was on the grass near where the F86 was running. He was watching the 86 and saw the drop tanks hit the ground and one of them caught fire. He radioed the pilot to get out of there as there was fire under a wing. O.K. Not a problem, just let off the brakes and a bit of throttle and your out of danger. Right? Nope. The major blew the canopy, closed the throttle and bailed out of the cockpit. As I recall he either broke an ankle or a bad sprain. He was on crutches for a while. Meanwhile the pilot in the mobile tower calls for a fire truck and grabs a fire extinguisher and puts out the fire. The major, as far as I know, never lived down the incident and never was sure what he did to punch the tanks. He thought he was distracted by something and hit the wrong switch because of his newness to the plane. Needless to say, the crew chief was not a happy camper, nor was the CO. Oh, yes. The major's first name was Amin and from that day hence he was always refereed to as Flamin' Amin. The last time I saw him was when I was in the 14th FIS at SCAB. Yep had two F86D/L squadrons. He was at SCAB on an inspection tour from Richards-Gebauer AFB, MO (Kansas City). When he left SCAB he went to RG as part of the 29th Air Division IG team. The Peter Principle at work.
As a side note, the CO of the 14th was Lt.Col. William Shomo. He was awarded the Medal of Honor in WW2 for shooting down 7 Japanese planes on one mission. His wingman got two on the same flight. One of the finest commanders I ever had. :us_flag
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Post by Bullhunter on Feb 3, 2009 6:15:20 GMT 9
Very cool story Jim. :
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Feb 4, 2009 9:35:04 GMT 9
For my 100th post, I want to tell you another SCAB incident.
During my years at Sioux City Air Base, Iowa (SCAB), there were lots of birds lost to various incidents. The first one while I was at SCAB was a C82. I was in the 79th Air Base Squadron, which had a C47 and a T6D. I was assistant crew chief on the T6 and one of the assistant flight mechanics on the Gooney Bird. We got C82's in early 1953 and became a cargo outfit, sort of. One of our Packets headed to Yuma with a J47 engine for one of the 87Th FIS F86D's that had need for another engine. The plane was taking a crew to change the engine and some of our troops to assist. They landed at Kirtland to refuel and then took off for Yuma. On climb out one of the engines quit and a Packet doesn't fly too well with one fan turning when it is climbing to go over the mountains around Albuquerque. The pilot, Capt. Erickson our maintenance officer, told the flight mechanic to jettison the clamshell doors and push the J47 out. The bird was still having troubles and he told the rest to get out. The flight mech stood by the big hole in the back and waited until everyone in the cargo area was out and looked to see if the pilots were headed out. The co-pilot came down the ladder and they went out the back just after the bird cleared a ridge. A few seconds earlier and they would have hit the ridge before their chutes opened. After they got out the bird went below another ridge and they heard an explosion. They all got together and waited for rescue crews from Kirtland to fetch them. When they found the Packet, Capt. Ericson's body was in the cargo compartment. The accident report said the autopilot was on, and the plane seemed to have lost the second engine and Capt. Erickson wasn't able to get out before it hit. It was a sad day for our squadron and the base. But, everyone was happy that 12 got out with no injuries. It wasn't too long and we got C119 Flying Boxcars. The C82 had R2800 engines and was just a bit underpowered and really under if one quit on takeoff with a load in the hold. The C119's we got at first had R 4360's and later got some with R3350 Compound engines. The C82 we lost at SCAB was the first of many. During the years we had F86D/L Saber Dogs we lost a bunch. But those are stories for another day.
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Post by Bullhunter on Feb 4, 2009 13:18:22 GMT 9
That's a great story. Just too bad the end was the loss of an aircrew member.
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Post by tundra6kat on Mar 26, 2009 17:39:41 GMT 9
The one I remember was when a SAC B52 blew up on the SAC area line November 14 1976 If I recall the date right at Minot.Saw what was left wasnt pretty either.As far as I know the Buf was empty on fuel.and Maint. was working on it power on but the Boost pump fuses never got pulled.The aircraft got powered off for a refuel after they got there work done the boost pumps had been running for some reason and got cherry hot .When they fueled up ...THAT WAS IT boom ! It rocked the whole base at about 2 A.M.One guy was under a wing and another by the tail both got killed the third was in the cockpit got out some how out the window.Drove a tug down to the trim pad by that area all that was left were the tail ,engine nacelles,and nose.Never forget how hot the fire must have been to turn the metal on the skin to a liquid, wierd cooled like a frooze waterfall.I never forgot those guys a really humble reflection I sometimes think of.......... In the Line of duty! thats the story I got not possitive about the specific detail just what the grapevine told me.
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Post by az09 on Apr 8, 2009 22:27:46 GMT 9
A Capt. Ryan came in from George AFB, Ca on a cross country flight on a week end. He spent the evening in San Francisco as the many cross country pilots did every week end of the nice weather flying months. Sunday morning he prepared to leave Hamilton for George and the Transit Alert person said the pilot was hitting the O2 to clear his head. The base was fogged in with an extra heavy blanket of fog. Visibility on the ground was just enough to see the taxi lines on the ramp.
Capt Ryan taxied out of the transit area and proceeded to the end of runway. The F-4 went off into the fog bank and got airborne.
The next we heard was that Capt. Ryan had crashed into the bay on take-off. The Accident Recovery folks found the wreckage and a medic fished the pilot's helmet out of the water. Yes, the head was still in the helmet. The thoughts of the on scene folks was that he had fell asleep right after take-off from Hamilton. The need to get home no matter what struck again.
Capt Ryan was the son of General John Ryan.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Apr 14, 2009 3:18:59 GMT 9
Yep, we all know the Six is one tough bird. Why else would so many of them been turned in to drones. What a waste. One cold night at Minot there was a Six in one of the line shelters undergoing some maintenance in the nose wheel well. Because it was pretty cold, there was a heater running and the duct aimed at the nose wheel well. An intrepid young airman was working on the bird and thought he better check the fuel level on the heater. He looked at the gage and saw it was running low and got a fuel truck to put some JP4 in to the tank on the heater. One thing he forgot to do (you already know where I'm going, don't you). You got it. He didn't turn the heater off. A bit of a spill and, yep, fire went right up the heater duct in to the wheel well and began burning things not meant to be burned. Our intrepid young airman ran and got a fire extinguisher and put the fire out before the whole bird was engulfed. There was a whole lot of discussion among the higher ups about what to do. Did they prefer charges for not following procedure and damaging an airplane, or did they congratulate him for putting out the fire and saving an airplane? As I recall, neither was done. I remember him getting a reprimand and having to take some additional safety training.
The bird? It took some depot repair. A crew came to Minot and fixed it up in order to fly it to McClellan and do the proper repairs. Took lots of rewiring and a bit of sheet-metal repair, plus repainting the entire wheel well. We were all reminded, more than once, by the bosses to turn the heater off and disconnect the duct before refueling. I wonder how many birds have been lost or damaged by the same type of incident. Just another day on the 5th Fighter flight line. :god_bless_usa
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