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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Nov 7, 2007 12:56:21 GMT 9
Having been at Minot for several years in 5FIS, I remember some of the winter operations we had, some funny, some ludicrous, some downright frightening and some very memorable. We were issued yellow "hard hats" to wear on the flighline one year. Seems someone was trying to solve the head against the wing mount problem. They were nice hats. Even had a winter liner. They were also drilled to allow us to put rank pins on them. The one event I remember most was 1964, I think. We were in the midst of a cold weather ORI and Mr. Dalton (Dirty Dick) CWO 4, was making one of his rare appearances on the line and saw how many of us were hitting our heads on the bottom of the wings, missile bay doors, gear wells, etc., that he ordered all of us to remove our yellow hats and get to doing our jobs. Fine with us. They were cumbersome, uncomfortable and the flannel liner didn't really keep your ears warm. We went back to the regular winter hat and did the ORI with little in the way of head problems. What are some of your winter experiences on the Six?
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Post by bp on Nov 8, 2007 4:50:56 GMT 9
Chasing air leaks in the weapons bay has to be my favorite. You just hope they keep the hanger doors closed and the heaters on. I think my hands are still cold from then. A close second was busting my butt on the ever present ice with my tool box in hand. Tools went everywhere.
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Post by dpillsbury on Nov 10, 2007 22:27:35 GMT 9
Heh, I indeed do recall the weapons bay air leaks. Especially with the change of each season those valves would start getting leaky. Remember the good old ultrasonic leak tester?
My fave though at the Griff was being on mids for a couple of winters and arming the drop tanks at dawn...for those unaware at dawn a nice breeze tends to pop up during the coldest part of the morning. It's darn near impossible to do the stray voltage checks on the racks with gloves on..that was some cold stuff!!
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Post by ikar on Dec 7, 2007 11:31:05 GMT 9
We used to have to go out and change the maps in the aircraft whenever we got changes issued. I was changing a T-33 and slid down the wing to change the rear seat charts. When I went to pull away I found myself stuck to the fuselage. That was the first time in my life that had ever happened to me, and I had alredy done time at Ellsworth and Loring.
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Post by sixerviper on Dec 14, 2007 5:32:14 GMT 9
Winter of 1972-73: Temp -39, wind out of the north at 35 kts. Chill factor -101. We had about 25 jets at that time, and room indoors for 24 of 'em. You got it--we had to work on #25, and they just HAD to have that jet the next day!! It took four of us four hours to change the CPU-111 in that jet. Remember X-ray 3, the 1968 Dodge six-pack pickup truck assigned to the Instrument Shop in those days? Well, we ran about half a tank of gas through it just idling it trying to keep it and us warm that night.
Far as I'm concerned, you ain't been cold until you've been Minot cold!!
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 14, 2007 11:47:05 GMT 9
I know what you mean. I left the Griff one day on a TDY to Minot to work a EWO B-52. left Griffiss at 60 degrees and landed at Minot -52 degrees. Thats minus. Minot cold!
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Post by John Slover on Oct 10, 2008 21:50:29 GMT 9
I remember working in the missile bay on one of those crisp clear -40 mornings . I was helping Dave Webb remove some panels . Dave was from California and it was his first experience with cold weather. Having gloves on he stuck a small box wrench in his mouth and got the most puzzled look when it stuck to his tongue like an icecube tray. Will remember that always. It was still good times there.
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Post by ikar on Oct 18, 2008 11:55:21 GMT 9
One day the van and truck froze solid when the temps hit -98. My supevisor came over and used his car to push our van into the garage. It was a bit tall, but it went. We opened the hood, pointed a space heater at the engine, turned it on full, covered the opening with blankets, closed the garage door, and covered filled the opening with more blankets. It took days to thaw enough to start.
Even the truck was frozen for the first time.
Later in the year we lost all heat to our place when someone worked on the gas lines and forgot to turn ours back on.
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Post by tundra6kat on Oct 21, 2008 18:06:20 GMT 9
:rolleyes: Why not Minot cause ...were the Chosen Froozen! O yea, I remember the 4 a.m. January nights on the defuel pad when temps were minus 35 and wind at gust up to 40 mph rumor has it the wind didnt blow up there it sucked . The 3 minutes of working on depuddling the fuel tank drains running over to the heater units for 30 seconds and back again most the night. Nothing like having JP 4 run down to your arm pits as you try to untorque fuel cell panel screws you can always be promised a few snapped apex tips trying to get those babies out .Then it was a trip to tool crib for that special easy out device. Some nights my speed handle just as fast as I would have liked. These are what phase dock night mares are made of. Still wouldnt have it any other way,guess it builds character right those Old glory days.Only the BEST come NORTH remember...
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Post by sixerviper on Nov 27, 2008 4:52:23 GMT 9
I think I really hurt a Minot tech rep's feelings when I explicitly made my opinion of the underwing access panels and their multiple-length screws with identical heads known while getting a JP-4 bath on the defuel pad. That poor bastard (don't remember his name, but he was an APG tech rep. I was Instruments) stopped and told me all about how the panel was chemically milled and ultra lightweight and the variously-sized screws all contributed to what made the Six as fast as she was. This was NOT the thing to tell a 22-yr old bigmouth who smells like a gas tank! Fortunately it was summer, so the fuel temp was +50F and not -35F.
Now--why in the hell couldn't Convair have put the fuel panels on TOP of the wing? I have never heard a good explanation as to why they were on the bottom.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Nov 27, 2008 13:57:42 GMT 9
There have always been questions about the fuel panels being on the bottom of the wing. Working in phase docks I pulled more of those panels than I care to remember. I even went to a special corrosion control school at Truax in order to better take care of the fuel cells on the Six. It wasn't just the pulling of the panels, you were not supposed to use an air gun to put them back on so they didn't spin the sealed nuts. Bother! I remember Don St. Pierre, the Convair tech rep telling us something to the effect that the panels were on the bottom because of the way the air moved over the top of the wing and the minor openings where the panels were and the imperfections of the screws could cause unwanted turbulence if they were on top. So, it seems it all had to do with aerodynamics. Regardless, it was not a fun job taking them off, even in the hanger. The remaining fuel still dripped out on your arms and filled the drip pans. Hope the newer birds have a better way of doing it. Jim, enjoying beautiful weather for Thanksgiving here in South Texas, the adopted home of the County Sligo Squadron
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Post by lugnuts55 on Mar 30, 2009 22:14:04 GMT 9
Winters at Minot were indeed an experience. I was born and raised in Wisconsin so I didn't think it could be much different. WRONG. I had never experienced such bitter cold. We were issued all the cold weather clothing we could wish for but working on the flightline with those elbow-length mittens was impossible. Instead, I think I wore out about a pair of gloves a month. I was thankful for the muk-luks. I used up several pair of those. And why was the only airplane on the flying schedule the only one outside. It never was one of the sixes parked in the revetment. I don't remember what they were called, so I'll say revetment. The flight shack was an old house trailer. Boy, that was really insulated well. It was warmer than outside though and that's what mattered.
The winter of '70-'71, somebody thought it would be great fun to try a different kind of work shift. Instead of three 8 hour shifts, let's try four. Swings and mids were unchanged. Day shift was broken into two shifts. The early shift went 0400-1200 and late shift went 1200-2000. I was on the early shift so I was up at 0300 to s**t, shower, and shave. Got to work at 0400, got the flying schedule and did the preflight. By the time that was done, the chow hall was open. I think they had the best food at that chow hall. We were hungry as hell so maybe anything would have tasted good but they did have some good food. The sos was especially good when it was fresh. And it was fresh when we got there. I got three eggs over easy right on top of the sos with a side of bacon or sausage. Man, that hit the spot. Then it was back to the line for launch.
The shift seemed to go quickly because we were done at noon. The problem was when your buddy was on the other shift and you had nothing to do in the afternoon. Remember, this was winter. They started this great experiment on January 1 and ended it at the end of March. I came very close to becoming an alcoholic during those months. Winters in North Dakota were very much like the arctic in terms of daylight. The sun rose about 0800 and set around 1500. At least that's what it seemed like. There was very limited daylight in the winter. Maybe that was so we could see the Northern Lights better.
I just know it was damn cold and the wind was relentless. They said it never snowed in North Dakota. The snow was blowing in from Montana. And I'm sure you heard that the wind didn't blow, it sucked. The state bird is a mosquito and the state tree is a telephone pole. Did anybody see a jackalope? The one over the bar in Ruthville doesn't count.
Winter at Minot. My roomate and one of our buddies had motorcycles. We were sitting around one Saturday and Norm says he'd love to go for a ride. It was one of the warmer days...only 19 below. Well guess what we did. We went for a bike ride. I have pictures of it because I knew no one would believe me. We only stayed out a couple hours, but it was a good time. We didn't get frostbite either. Thank goodness for the winter weather gear.
That winter, the first three weeks didn't get above minus 10 degrees. When the cold snap broke and it got to zero and then 10 above, we were walking around with our parkas open. Talk about balmy.
As it turned out, that was the only winter I spent there. I didn't join the AF to see North Dakota. I wanted to see some of the world. And the war was still going on in Vietnam. I heard so many great stories about Southeast Asia that I wanted to get some of my own. I put in for Thailand and Vietnam. I got Thailand and left Minot in August '71. I didn't know it at the time, but I left with some great stories of Minot AFB, ND.
Does anybody remember the critters and bugs they had there? It seemed like there was a season for each of the species.I think I'll start a new thread with that idea.
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Post by tundra6kat on Apr 1, 2009 0:12:07 GMT 9
The land of prairie dogs and skeeters Rofl ! The only critters I saw eating each other for supper.One road kill after another was strange one get flatten another stop in to eat then another.Some of the guys would snag then coming out of the holes catch em with fishing line then paint them red white and blue..........Americanized prairie dogs.As for skeeters played 9 holes of golf got 43 bites wasnt keen on golf up there after that.Had a canadian goose take out a left front windscreen on the cockpit once engine never ate it good thing wasnt a fun fix either alnight window change in the dock.
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Post by dnbeven on Apr 16, 2009 19:00:10 GMT 9
Minot-Freezen is the reason!!! The worse I remember was in Dec 91, it never got above 0. One night it was -45 ambient, -80 windchill. Myself and a couple of my cops were chasing a drunk captain who jumped the south gate and was running toward the WSA. I finally tackled the idiot in 4 inches of snow and when I wiped my mouth half my mustache was frozen to my parka sleeve. Oh yea, the dogs weren't out because it was to cold for them.
Another time we ran red ropes from the dorms to the chow hall during an all day white out so the troops would not get lost. I had a snow cat pick me up at my on base house to take me to work. From there we took MRE's to the gates and told the guards we'll be back, just don't know when.
During a snow storm before Halloween a young kid fell through a 5 foot snow drift. We found him about 20 minutes later after some intense searching. Thanks to some fast thinking by our Lt who kicked in a door to get him warm, and the CE guys plowing a path for the ambulance, we were able to save his life.
I also remember the inside of our walls to my house freezing it was so cold.
Winters at Minot were, well interesting!
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Post by Bullhunter on Apr 17, 2009 0:46:15 GMT 9
Now that is damn cold. Never heard it describe like that. I was only at Minot once. It was winter and I changed a CSD & generator on a B-52 jet engine on alert. It was -52 below.
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Post by lauren044 on Apr 17, 2009 4:33:22 GMT 9
:patriotic-flagwaver I got to Minot in the summer of 83 and left in 88 (Retirement). I was stationed on the SAC side in the hydraulic shop. We had 52's and 135's and then it was split between the two types of aircraft. Can remember being snowed in where it took 3 days to dig us out of base housing one winter. The last winter there, Christmas of 87 and New Years of 88 had snow (side ways) and wind chill at 100 below zero. The things we did for our country. :us_flag :
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Apr 17, 2009 7:35:15 GMT 9
It was a beautiful sunny morning in Minot. There was not a single cloud in the sky and there was not a breath of wind. The smoke and steam rose straight up from the houses on our street. I got dressed and went out to start the Chrysler and then went in for a cuppa and breakfast. Then I put my parka on and went out to unplug the heater cord from the car. I had turned the heater on when I started the car, so it wasn't terribly cold when I hit the seat. I pushed the R button and backed out on to 19th Street NW. Then the D button got it's push and I was on my way to the base. The car didn't shift for a couple of blocks and the tires thumped for several blocks, before they were not bumping. Out to U.S. 83 and the trip to the base. I pulled up to the South gate and got waved through. As I drove by the steam plant, the steam was coming out of the stacks in tall pillars. As I pulled through the 5th gate the Sky Cop didn't even open the door, just looked at my flight line badge and waved me through. I pulled in to the hanger parking area and noticed there were only a couple of cars. Didn't think anything of it, as I was early and it was a cold morning. There were only a few parking places with plug-ins along the outside wall. I pulled in to one that wasn't reserved and turned the key off and got out and plugged the heater in. In to the hanger I went and in to the maintenance office. I could smell the fresh coffee and knew someone had to be there. Mr. Dalton was at his desk, smoke in hand and coffee cup half-full. He looked up and asked my what I was doing there. Then he stated that I was always early. Working on the phase dock, I wanted to get the paperwork going before my crew got there, and generally got to work early. Well, Mr. Dalton told me to get a cup of coffee and then sit down in the side chair. When I got my coffee and came back, he handed me the phone. As I listened, the recorded voice was giving the latest weather for MAFB. Wind, zero; etc, and then, temperature, minus 55 degrees. I listened again, thinking maybe I had not heard it right. When I hung up, Mr. Dalton told me that the CO had called a stand-down and all personnel were called on the phone chain to stay home. Seeing as I had already left, the kids had gone to school and De had gone to work at Northern States Power in downtown Minot, the only ones home to answer the phone were the cats. So, I never got the message. I finished my coffee, told Mr. Dalton I would see him to-morrow and headed back home. When I got home I called De to see if she wanted to go out for lunch. She asked me what I was doing home, and I told her it was too cold to be out on the flight line, so the base was shut-down. Her comment was that the Air Force didn't have to work when it was cold, but everyone else did. Yep, winters at Minot could be fun. Now you know why we didn't retire there, but chose South Texas instead. Jim :god_bless_usa
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Post by dnbeven on Apr 17, 2009 19:25:11 GMT 9
I know we're talking about the winters, but how about those tornadoes in the summer!!!! Minot was the first place I seen a wall cloud. Now that scared the S**t out me. The next thing I saw were two funnels coming out of the sky. I was a cop at the time and we were taking a smoke brake at the range. One of the guys from South Dakota said oh S**t and took off in the squad car. The next thing I remember is the desk saying get the hell out of there and evac the modulars to the Pride building. It was a mess. And the hail kick the crap out of us. That stuff really hurt! But yes, I miss those good old days. Winter and summer.
Oh yea, the only time it didn't snow the 4 years I was there was the month of August, tornado time.
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Post by lugnuts55 on Apr 17, 2009 23:32:28 GMT 9
Oh Yeah, I remember very well the summers at Minot. It seemed that there was a tornado warning every other day. Whenever I was driving down the highway, I was scanning the skies and the sides of the road for places to hide if one came down. There were a couple times we were putting all the planes into the hangar because of the threat of tornados. And as cold as the winters were, it was beastly hot in the summer. In spite of that, I still enjoyed my time there.
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Post by f106mec on Apr 19, 2009 10:29:06 GMT 9
I was in Minot from 1980-1986 and saw the winter storms and the summer Tornado's! 65- 130- wind chill!!!! I do remember one winter February, working mid shift and driving on base seeing some idiot Jogging???!!!! He was so bundled up I couldn't see how he could be moving?? :fire_missle_ani :
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