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Post by farranb on Oct 24, 2012 5:37:17 GMT 9
Being a retired fuel system repair guy there's way too many spill stories. Let's start one for suffocation, burns and deformities! Why don't you talk about the dumb mistakes that crew members and other maintenance shops do that cause other people to work ungodly hours to fix. Hey, just break it, write it up, and go home. oohh- touchy aren't we?  ?? I can remember changing the horsecock connection on the F-100 after it had been defueled and the line was full of fuel-about 5 gals worth, changing leading edge cells on T-33s, liquidometers on F-86s before there was such a thing as a fuel system repair guy.... The first guys to get your AFSC were force cross trained tirekickers- without benefit of a "tech school" because they already had the experience..... The Old Sarge Welcome onto our flight line and into our hangar..... Glad to see you go back and read some of the old stuff........ |
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Post by farranb on Oct 24, 2012 5:41:24 GMT 9
Holy "thread revival" Batman! ZONK!!Welcome to the forums farranb!  Looks like you've found your way around. Did you work fuels on Sixes just at Tyndall, or were you in some other Six units? Glad to have you here! Mark (P.S. I can't believe "zonk" isn't in the spell check dictionary. I saw it on Batman all the time!) Just at Tyndall, that was more than enough. |
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Post by farranb on Oct 24, 2012 5:53:32 GMT 9
Being a retired fuel system repair guy there's way too many spill stories. Let's start one for suffocation, burns and deformities! Why don't you talk about the dumb mistakes that crew members and other maintenance shops do that cause other people to work ungodly hours to fix. Hey, just break it, write it up, and go home. oohh- touchy aren't we? ?? I can remember changing the horsecock connection on the F-100 after it had been defueled and the line was full of fuel-about 5 gals worth, changing leading edge cells on T-33s, liquidometers on F-86s before there was such a thing as a fuel system repair guy.... The first guys to get your AFSC were force cross trained tirekickers- without benefit of a "tech school" because they already had the experience..... The Old Sarge Welcome onto our flight line and into our hangar..... Glad to see you go back and read some of the old stuff........ That's exactly why we had to come in because the tire kickers had things so screwed up we still couldn't get things back to where they should have been. What a mess. We were still fixing things that they screwed up when they went to the bone yard. But then why am I telling you all of this, you already knew it. We had to put up with know it alls like you, tirekickers, every day. You knew how to do everything until it was time to do then it was deer in the headlights. |
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Post by farranb on Oct 24, 2012 6:00:09 GMT 9
farranb, The Viet Nam War was over with the cease fire on 28 January 1973..... This is the last date for eligibility for the Viet Nam Service Medal.. If you did serve "in country" between 29 Jan 1973 and 29 April 1975, you were not eligible for award of the VN Service Medal..... Viet Nam Vets are identified by the pictured ribbon.. There was one 24 hour period where the medal was awarded that fits in your service time- 29 April 1975-30 April 1975 for "Operation Frequent Wind" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frequent_WindThere was a politician who said he served during the Viet Nam war, implying he was a Viet Nam Veteran.... Please remove the Vietnam era veteran and post basic training/ tech training periods..... I had been retired a few years when Desert Shield and Storm came about... Thanks for serving in those 2 wars, for wars they were and not Conflicts..... Jim Duh, do you have any idea what you're saying? See my comments below. By the way, hoe long WERE you in? |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 24, 2012 6:07:51 GMT 9
farranb
May I suggest you sit down, take a deep breath and let some steam out of the boiler.
I don't know what your gripe is, but you have done your best to irritate some very fine Patriot Warriors.
I certainly thank you for your service, but don't appreciate what appears to be a bad attitude about any AFSC but yours.
All of us, I do mean All of US, worked to keep our country free, some for many more years than you did, and a number of us have paid a physical price for our service.
I, along with others on this site, were Crew Chiefs and are happy to take a jibe about being called "Wrench Benders".
There are some posts on names crew chiefs were called.
If you look at past posts, you will find, no matter our AFSC, we get along on this site.
I suggest that you do your best to get along, and quit insulting members of this fine group of men and women.
I would like nothing more, than for you to become a regular contributor, sharing your knowledge and your opinions.
However, none of us appreciate being called demeaning names, when they are in anger.
So, cut out the insults and join us, don't fight against us.
Remember, farranb, we are here because we love the SIX, and our Republic, not to make enemies on the team.
I do not intend to insult you, or demean your words, I just want you to be civil.
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Post by Jim on Oct 24, 2012 7:26:34 GMT 9
farranb, I won't start this out with calling you FRIEND, nor will I be diplomatic like Jim2 is in his post on page 1, as it was you that threw the hand grenade. I sure as hell know what I am talking about. I am well aware of membership requirements in the VVA (Membership is open to U.S. armed force veterans who served on active duty (for other than training purposes) in the Republic of Vietnam between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975, or in any duty location between August 5, 1964 and May 7, 1975. The red highlight allows your stateside service to be counted for membership in an organization that calls itself Vietnam Veterans Association, uses the VN Serv Medal replica in its patches and pins, etc- implying to all that see it to think that the wearer is a bonifide Viet Nam Veteran.... As I stated, the period of service that would make you even a Viet Nam E-R-A Vet is 29 April 1975 through 30 April 1975...... Mar 29, 1973:
U.S. withdraws from VietnamPrevious DayMarch 29CalendarNext Day Two months after the signing of the Vietnam peace agreement, the last U.S. combat troops leave South Vietnam as Hanoi frees the remaining American prisoners of war held in North Vietnam. America's direct eight-year intervention in the Vietnam War was at an end. In Saigon, some 7,000 U.S. Department of Defense civilian employees remained behind to aid South Vietnam in conducting what looked to be a fierce and ongoing war with communist North Vietnam. www.history.com/this-day-in-history/us-withdraws-from-vietnamAmerican Civilians (DOD) served in VietNam until 29 April 1975 and it took the Marines and Navy 2 days to evacuate as many as they could before Charlie captured Saigon. The Viet Nam ERA ended on 28 Jan 1973 with the signing of the cease fire.. Eligibility for the VIETNAM Service Medal ended on that date.... THE WAR WAS OVER and you weren't even in the service then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the one day period in 1975- 29-30 April doesn't hardly qualify as an ERA..... Now to the rest of your smart mouth, wise ass,arrogant and insulting remarks: to wit: Dec 18, 2011, 5:55pm, farranb wrote: Being a retired fuel system repair guy there's way too many spill stories. Let's start one for suffocation, burns and deformities! Why don't you talk about the dumb mistakes that crew members and other maintenance shops do that cause other people to work ungodly hours to fix. Hey, just break it, write it up, and go home. Dec 18, 2011, 6:25pm, Jim wrote: oohh- touchy aren't we? ?? I can remember changing the horsecock connection on the F-100 after it had been defueled and the line was full of fuel-about 5 gals worth, changing leading edge cells on T-33s, liquidometers on F-86s before there was such a thing as a fuel system repair guy.... The first guys to get your AFSC were force cross trained tirekickers- without benefit of a "tech school" because they already had the experience..... The Old Sarge Welcome onto our flight line and into our hangar..... Glad to see you go back and read some of the old stuff........
That's exactly why we had to come in because the tire kickers had things so screwed up we still couldn't get things back to where they should have been. What a mess. We were still fixing things that they screwed up when they went to the bone yard. But then why am I telling you all of this, you already knew it. We had to put up with know it alls like you, tirekickers, every day. You knew how to do everything until it was time to do then it was deer in the headlights. I decided to overlook these remarks when you posted them, because they were directed primarily towards me. Today, you added another person in your arrogant insults.... We needle each other here, but we don't insult each other, and we damned well don't think that we are superior to anyone here, except perhaps in this case..... In my not so humble opinion, you have insulted those of us here who are veterans of the Vietnam War (my 15 months there entitles me to be a bit mouthy). I have no doubt that there are some here who have more than one full tour there....... Belonging to the VVA may give you some measure of prestige... Hopefully you fully support them in their endeavors, I don't , primarily because it includes a period of time(2 years) that the DOD does not recognize as Vietnam War Service. If you want to use one 24 hour period of time that was used to award the medal to the military personnel that evacuated Saigon to create an ERA, then do so... Only don't do it here in the forum... You had your wars, now leave mine alone and make no association with it.... Change the tone of your postings, apologize for your insults and you will be as welcome as anyone else is and has been.....With the exception of robync that is.......... 25 1/2 years active USAF service, no civil service time, to answer you question that is leading up to your claim an extensive service time......... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 7:28:15 GMT 9
First off, Jim, I'm not real sure what you're talking about, but I'm sure you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You may want to fix the short between the headset. I believe you're saying I'm not a Vietnam vet. Never said I was. Try slowing down and reading it again. It says Vietnam E-R-A Veteran. That's why I am a member of the VVA, are you? You need to go back and read about Vietnam Era Veterans and then come back and give me a lesson in blah-blah-blah... Next, postalron, you and your buddy's are the exact reason the Air Force put hugesrequirements on us to the point that we had to get tanks open, purged, and safe for people like you. You instrument guys were terrible when it came to troublshooting your system on cargo planes especially with foam. Let's start a thread like, what's your funniest story about people that were maimed or killed in the process of fixing a fuel problem. Fuel spills and fuel repair in general was and is a dangerous business. It would appear that this muttonhead is either robync reincarnated or someone who followed diamondback over from some other sight. Nobody who is real would have the unmitigated stupidity to come on this site, pass themselves off as a veteran with any value, and insult damn near everybody on this site. It claims to have spent 5 months in the service before being assigned to some job on a C130, probably toilet cleaner, if anything. Claims to have all kind of assignments all over, on all kinds of aircraft, but never gives details of anything. If it's actually been in anything it would seem it's been something in the demoncrat party just looking to rile the residents. you, farranb, are nothing more than a parasite. if you were in, what was your rank at discharge, E1; I hope you continue to suck all the money out of odumbass's pocket, cuz it wont last long. |
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Post by Jim on Oct 24, 2012 7:39:44 GMT 9
RON, before you go off half cocked again, "PLEASE" let me handle the insults from this guy.... You can't fly with ruffled feathers.... The Old Sarge
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Post by Mark O on Oct 24, 2012 8:59:03 GMT 9
farranb, You have 13 posts, and already a Karma of -1. Usually when we see that around here the poster either gets him (or her) self banned, or they just fade away quietly. I gotta tell you; I went back and looked at every post you made here since you joined last December, and have analyzed them like this. 3 were benign - no insults, or hidden angry meanings.
9 included insults, to either men of other career fields, or individuals here, or what I perceive as disrespectful.
1 just posted a quote, and no comments from you.
9 have been posted in the last three days.
The remaining 4 were posted last December (2011), and 50% of those were insulting.Not a very good batting average if you ask me. What's up?What exactly are you trying to accomplish by insulting men you know absolutely nothing other than what you have read here? It sounds like you've got one serious grudge against everyone with maintenance experience other than yourself. It even appears to me that you disliked working on the F-106! (Strange, considering you joined an F-106 forum.) For someone of your rank and experience (as listed in your signature block) that really surprises me. In any event, I hope you understand where we all are coming from here. No one here holds a grudge, or throws insults at each other with the malice you have done. We certainly do not tolerate those who do. I hope you get the message. Edit: Oh yea,  MSgt (Ret.) Mark O. Williams US Army 98C2S (EW/Signal Intelligence Analyst) (1983-2000) KC-135E/R/T CREW CHIEF (2000-2007) C-130E/H/H1 FLIGHT ENGINEER (2007-2011) Desert Shield/Storm Northern Watch Iraq Afghanistan (Any questions?) |
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Post by LBer1568 on Oct 24, 2012 9:44:54 GMT 9
Farranb, I am also a retired enlisted man. I served this wonderful Country from April 1963 until my retirement on 1 Oct 1986.
I worked the six from 1963 - 6 Jan 1971. I was stationed at Tyndall from Jun 1967, after 539th FIS McGuire disbanded, until I cross trained out in Jan 1971.
I have also seen some of your caustic comment's, but have remained neutral. I have been the receiver of JP-4 from not only the Six, but also the F-4, F-111, C-130, C-141 and C-5. I cross trained into flight Simulation in 1971 and was captured and held POW at Chanute AFB IL as an Instructor until I escaped and went to RAF Upper Heyford.
I don't remember any fuel system specialists in early days on the Six. Crew chiefs and electricians did most of the work. Early on on Six, MA-1 did some troubleshooting on instruments. Then we go Instrument Repairmen to work Fuel instruments, switch's and electricians did most of wiring etc. Crew dogs did a lot of the fuel work early on as well. Somewhere in the early-mid 60's, while you were still in diapers, the AF decided we needed more specialists. So we got a ton of "Specialist's. Those were the guys who worked on their little piece of the big machine. Many of them had too much free time and were subbed out to help other shops. Then came the consolidation phase where everyone learned (Or were supposed to learn) other guys jobs.
I cross trained out of Aircraft duties and went into Flight Sim's. Man what a racket. Inside, clean room work and no bad weather. That was until one each CMSgt Robert Parrott came to RAF Upper Heyford as Avionics IG Team lead. Flight Sim folks had just been moved from DO to DCM and joined into AFM 66-1 maintenance. Well I had lots of experience from Six days so it wasn't new to me. But Bob Parrott informed the Avionics CO that I also had a 32290 AFSC as Secondary ( Bob ran the MA-1 Mock Up at Tyndall). I immediately became Avionics Super about one weekend a month on F-111E.
Luckily I got reassigned as Branch Chief of F-4 Sim's at Spangdahlem AB GE. So do you know how long I skated until Chief Parrott visited Spang? About 2 months. So for the next 2 years I was Avionics Super on F-4's about once a month. And we had every type known to man at Spang. F-4C Wild Weasels, F-4D and F-4D LORAN, F-4E and then F-4G Wild Weasels. And I was supposed to be Avionics Super with Red X Authority. Lucky for me we had some great Avionics guys to make me look good. I managed to drive Avionics Blue 1 Truck and bring hot coffee to guys out in the weather.
Probably why I am rattling on is to say, Welcome; if you want to be part of our Forum, but man you sure sound like an E-3 with a hatred for My Air Force. I see you are 100% Service Connected? So how did you manage to get GS12 and be 100% Disabled? I am 50% for a bunch of complaints, but I learned from my father, or I should say his left hand, not to try to piss off the wrong guys.
Many of the hero's who visit this site are real warriors, before the AF Started the Wing man and Wounded Warriors, etc. These guys gave their best to the Best Air Force in History. I am sure you did as well. So turn around twice, spit into the wind and re-introduce yourself. If you really were a true Blue AF guy, you would be like the rest of here. We are Honored by those who served before us, proud to have worked with some of the best ever, and very respectful for those who carried on after us.
Welcome to the F-106 Forum, or goodbye...it's entirely your choice.
(With respect Chief - Moderator edit for readability.)
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Post by Jim on Oct 24, 2012 12:49:55 GMT 9
Excellent, Lorin.... It is all up to raffanb now.. His bio has had Vietnam ERA veteran edited out and it will stay out.. Jim
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Post by MOW on Oct 24, 2012 18:40:48 GMT 9
farranb - What in the hell is your major malfunction dipsh!t?
As a retired tire-kicker of 26 years who spent a hellavalot more years working the Dart than your sig block says you ever did (3 years at Tyndall??)... a personal screw you and your fuel-specialist higher than thou attitude. You do realize there was a time when we didn't even need you guys right? Crew Chiefs did fuel work, opened panels, changed fuel cell components and seals... you do know that right or did you never go into a Phase Dock?
As the owner and operator of this site and its incredible members consisting of the most knowledgeable, respected and honored group I've ever had the privilege to know, you have 1 chance to make this right and apologize to the group AND the individuals you attacked. You have 2 days to do so, at which time all will be behind us and we move on as the dedicated, respected group we are. If you fail to take this once in a life-time opportunity and we do not hear from you in 2 days, then you can say goodbye to this forum as you will be banned.
Jim, or any of the Moderators, please track this and take the action above if needed as I am hip-deep in this TDY+. There is no place for this kind of crap here... this is a zero-tolerance crap zone!
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Post by ma1marv on Oct 25, 2012 0:08:24 GMT 9
Hey - FARRANB!
If you would look at some of the members who frequent this site, you would find that MANY do not even claim their service to be a "Vietnam Veteran" - like me! The period I served almost fully encompases that time frame
-" of membership requirements in the VVA
Membership is open to U.S. armed force veterans who served on active duty (for other than training purposes) in the Republic of Vietnam between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975, or in any duty location between August 5, 1964 and May 7, 1975. The red highlight allows your stateside service to be counted for membership in an organization that calls itself Vietnam Veterans Association, uses the VN Serv Medal replica in its patches and pins, etc- implying to all that see it to think that the wearer is a bonifide Viet Nam Veteran.... "
I am not pleased with what I have noticed as your postings. I have to agree with Mark - Not off to a good start! As for Jim - I am behind him 100 percent. I do realize that the military does recognize those who were part of any unit - even for just one day - as having been and included in the title as a Vietnam Veteran. Whether you were really there or not!
If you take the MOW's most recent posting to heart - you will still be welcomed here - otherwise - its over bud!
I was MA-1 for the full 21 years of MY service - 1966 through 1987!
Oh - I also received a couple of JP-4 baths when I removed fuel panels to work on MA-1 related problems. That was back when the instrumentation was part of MY job. Do you recall a little thing called a"Fuel Iris" that was displayed on the TSD for the pilot??? It worked - and was there to show the pilot the approximate fuel range he had left in the aircraft. Later it was disabled when inflight refueling became the norm.
So - Not only have I worked MA-1 as a "WEENIE" but I changed tires, refuled, and helped other shops do their jobs, pulled ejection seats and did runup and taxi duties just so I could get MY job done.
Ok - I'm stopping here - Take the MOW's better choice and stay with us. There is a treasure trove of information and help for anyone here!
Marv :fire_missle_ani :patriotic-flagwaver :green-beer
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Post by dude on Oct 25, 2012 8:43:53 GMT 9
 Have to admit I never paid much attention to the Vietnam Veteran versus Vietnam Era Veteran distinction until I waltzed into a VFW and it was politely, but firmly explained to me that I was not eligible to join. Old Sarge. You indicated 28 Jan 1973 was the last day for Vietnam Era designation. So to be clear...since my date of enlistment believe it or not just happened to be 29 Jan 1973, then I am not considered a Vietnam Era veteran? And to make matters worse, since my wife enlisted 18 months before I did, she is a Vietnam Era veteran? PLEASE for the love of Mike tell me I have misinterpreted this.
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Post by ma1marv on Oct 25, 2012 10:45:05 GMT 9
OK - lets see if I can add fuel to the fire or maybe clarify something. According to the American Legion - the dates set by Congress to define a Vietnam Veteran (Meaning you served at least one day on active duty) are from 28 Feb, 1961 through 7 May, 1975. Now those dates are set by Congress and also define the eligibility for membership in the American Legion. If you served outside of the states during those periods you can also have a membership in the VFW. The VA adds to this a bit and sets the Feb 1961 date and the May 1975 dates but adds the rating further to be either "In a War Zone" or Outside the war zone. War zone to be determined by the basic countries of South Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and Phillippines. Sorry - but the NAVY also has a defined set of boundaries for the ships involved as to their locations and distance from shore. It is possible for a Navy Vet to be a Vietnam Vet and never step foot in country! Same for the Air Force - especially those bomber crews operating out of Okinawa. So - take a look and see where you fit! Now - to muddy the waters even more - the present administration has recently adopted the above dates and included anyone who served during that time - anywhere - doing anything - as a Vietnam Vet. In case all of you out there don't know - there is a fancy looking document you all can get to thank you for your service as a "Vietnam Veteran"! So - is that any clearer? !!! MArv :fire_missle_ani :patriotic-flagwaver :green-beer |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 11:48:48 GMT 9
I was not in country, except the US and a tdy in Florida. the distinction and appellation of being a VIETNAM VET should be reserved for those who served in theater during specified times. Others can be called VIETNAM ERA VETERANS for their service.
Just because the douche bag in chief or his chimps say something doesnt mean squat, he's screwed us up so much you cant trust anything they say.
and JIM G if you think this is going off HALF COCKED, AGAIN, TOUGH CRAP.
SORRY YOU DONT AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY, BUT WHO DIED AND LEFT YOU THE MESSIAH?
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Post by Jim on Oct 25, 2012 14:38:43 GMT 9
I was not in country, except the US and a tdy in Florida. the distinction and appellation of being a VIETNAM VET should be reserved for those who served in theater during specified times. Others can be called VIETNAM ERA VETERANS for their service. Just because the douche bag in chief or his chimps say something doesnt mean squat, he's screwed us up so much you cant trust anything they say. and JIM G if you think this is going off HALF COCKED, AGAIN, TOUGH CRAP. SORRY YOU DONT AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY, BUT WHO DIED AND LEFT YOU THE MESSIAH? No,I was hoping to prevent a reversion |
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