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Post by Mark O on Mar 25, 2013 5:05:48 GMT 9
Awesome photos! Thanks for posting them Pat!! BTW, that IS a nice restoration job. Would love to see that one in person!
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Post by jimpadgett on Mar 25, 2013 8:05:36 GMT 9
What happened to the pitot boom?
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Post by Mark O on Mar 25, 2013 9:10:12 GMT 9
What happened to the pitot boom? My guess (but not sure) is it got bent during all the years it sat in that storage yard somewhere in the back 40 on Warner-Robins. Check out the old photos of her on this web page here... www.f-106deltadart.com/display_w_robins.htm
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 25, 2013 9:27:05 GMT 9
I think the pitot tube was installed about 90degrees off from its intended position. Looks to me like the flat with the pin holes for static and differential pressure are all on the side of the tube - they should be on the bottom or top! I think someone just does not know about how that little tube goes on when installed on the pitot boom! Ask an instrument troop to be sure! the angle of the tube is just about 10-15 degrees off when its installed wrong! Marv
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Post by Jim on Mar 25, 2013 10:09:03 GMT 9
MArv just won the prize!!!!!!!!! With one minor thing, the static ports on the tube belong on the bottom
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Post by Mark O on Mar 25, 2013 10:21:35 GMT 9
Would that make the tip look bent like it does in the photo?
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 25, 2013 11:22:18 GMT 9
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Post by jimpadgett on Mar 25, 2013 21:34:58 GMT 9
Now for a really stupid question(s): What is the weight and chain for? Afraid Steve would make off with the aircraft? Are the "US Air Force" stencils authentic/upside down?
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Post by Jim on Mar 26, 2013 0:03:12 GMT 9
Now for a really stupid question(s): What is the weight and chain for? Afraid Steve would make off with the aircraft? Are the "US Air Force" stencils authentic/upside down? I wondered about the markings on the Falcons also... How about that beer bottle helping to keep the wind from moving the bird? It is right on the one on # 1 rail where Steve has his foot on the weight.......
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Post by LBer1568 on Mar 26, 2013 1:06:45 GMT 9
I must be getting older faster than the rest. I remember all falcons with stencil upside down when mounted on rails.
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Post by LBer1568 on Mar 26, 2013 1:08:40 GMT 9
I found this picture after I made my first post about Falcon's mounted.
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Post by Mark O on Mar 26, 2013 8:11:49 GMT 9
I found this page in the 1964 version of T.O. 1-1-4 for the AIM-4E, and AIM-4F with instructions on how the markings were to be applied. (WOW! That's pretty specific!) I'm still trying to visualize them, but nothing works better than photographs. Check out the photo on the top right side on the AIM-4 page here under the Armaments section... www.f-106deltadart.com/weapons_aim4.htmDid it just depend on HOW it was mounted on the rail?
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Post by Jim on Mar 26, 2013 9:18:38 GMT 9
Where is the other missile or exhaust trail if they are fired in pairs? ?? Strange, but all these years I figured that the AIMs were fired in pairs. but photos from Marks link show really different, making this photo true
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 26, 2013 9:53:29 GMT 9
JAMES ME BOY!!!!! HAve another snoot of the wonderful "Irish Dew" and listen - That is a painting - and the artist IS very good - but its just not true to life! The firing of missles was always in pairs - never in a single shot! The wiring is just not put together that way and the missle setting parameters from the armament units split and go to both sets of rails. The only selection we had was RADAR or IR or ALL ! The painting is wonderful and really looks great - but the ONLY way we ever fired one missle at a time from one rail - with something on the paired rail -was at Tyndall when we used the MATTS gear and we had a WSEM loaded on the paired rail. Now - if you only loaded one missle - then we can say that only one at a time was ever to fire. Sorry to hit you with this - but you are correct and keep right on believing. That artist was good with a brush - but a bit short on facts! Love ya - Have a "Green Beer" for me - I'm having a Guniess for the both of us! MArv
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Post by MOW on Mar 26, 2013 9:58:29 GMT 9
JAMES ME BOY!!!!! HAve another snoot of the wonderful "Irish Dew" and listen - That is a painting - and the artist IS very good - but its just not true to life! The firing of missles was always in pairs - never in a single shot! The wiring is just not put together that way and the missle setting parameters from the armament units split and go to both sets of rails. The only selection we had was RADAR or IR or ALL ! The painting is wonderful and really looks great - but the ONLY way we ever fired one missle at a time from one rail - with something on the paired rail -was at Tyndall when we used the MATTS gear and we had a WSEM loaded on the paired rail. Now - if you only loaded one missle - then we can say that only one at a time was ever to fire. Sorry to hit you with this - but you are correct and keep right on believing. That artist was good with a brush - but a bit short on facts! Love ya - Have a "Green Beer" for me - I'm having a Guniess for the both of us! MArv That's what I always thought as well, but why do we see so many photo's like this out there?
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Post by Jim on Mar 26, 2013 10:13:54 GMT 9
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 26, 2013 12:38:42 GMT 9
OOOOKKKKKK!!!! Well now there is an explanation for all those pictures! If you recall - there were a couple of places that some extensive testing went on with the "6", - those beiing at Tyndall - the Gulf Firing Range - and at Holloman. Well, during testing of the AIM missles and the early-on GAR missles the Six was loaded with only one missle per bay. If you look at the pictures there was NOT any WSEMS loaded on the off rail. The night pic is very good and the WSEM - had it been loaded - would have showed up very easily on those pictures. The shot of 035 is unclear and might have actually had a WSEM on board. OK - Now - the testing was done on live drone targets and the only real objective was to see if they fired and how close they came to hitting. The night shot shows what appears to be a AIM-4F on both front and rear bays -but I'm betting the rear bay was loaded to see how that missle reacted when fired in an opposite turn, or at least for a second shot at the same target. If we have pictures of Tyndall firing we would see a WSEM on the matching rail. When the load was real - meaning two Aim-4F on front and two AIM-4Gs on Rear - that was the proper and most expected load, also the optimum load for the aircraft. We always intended the aircraft to fire both rails in the same pass. Though there was a little box called the missle intervalometer that caused a small 10-20 millesecond delay between the two rails. That was there to keep the two missles from running into each other - just out front of the aircraft. The delay was sent to the firing pigtail to ignite the rocket motors just slightly apart - and depending on the atttack profile - the target was left or right of centerline and the attack was frontal or pursuit - the one closest to the target fired first. (Think of shooting your old double barrel at an incoming duck that was quarteriing away from you!!! Left or right barrel!) Does this make sense? If you need some more tutoring - I'll have to come to Payson and we may need some more Tullamore Dew!!! Marv
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Post by ma1marv on Mar 26, 2013 22:49:05 GMT 9
One last item to share - take a look at the "William Tell 1965" movie on the main page. At the 27:40 - 27:43 mark you will see the single rail loaded with a live missle and the firing of it. On the sequence you will note that on rail#1 there is a WSEM loaded, the live missle is on rail #2. Enjoy the show! MArv
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Post by LBer1568 on Mar 26, 2013 23:33:26 GMT 9
Since about 85% of all live fires took place at Tyndall I am trying to look back into my memory banks and see if I remember any Missiles fired without a WSEM loaded. I was assigned to read the WSEM/MSM tapes/film for many of those live fires. I don't remember ever having a live fire without corresponding WSEM tape. Something in the back of my mind says there was an adaptor that could be mounted (Dummy Plug) to allow for firing one missile without WSEM. Something to do with "Hang Fire" signal causing doors to stay open. But one must remember I left Six Program in Jan 1971. So the memory is second thing to go, and I don't remember the first thing.
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Post by LBer1568 on Mar 27, 2013 0:12:51 GMT 9
If you notice in the picture of the two men about to load the missile the US AF is upside down. I could never figure out why they were stenciled upside down when loaded. Maybe the US AF was more important when loaded on the tester. The test fixture and rails were mounted 180 degrees apart.
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