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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Nov 1, 2011 3:34:13 GMT 9
Someone posted a question about the oldest weapons any of us own. However, I can't find it, so will start a new thread.
I have two .22 rifles of interest.
I have a Remington Model 33, with a Lyman sight. The front sight slides out to reverse it, has a "white" dot on one side. There is also a piece of wood screwed to the right side, below the bolt, that is drilled to hold 10 cartridges. It has a leather military sling attached. It is a single shot .22 Cal, in Short, Long or Long Rifle. A 24" round barrel. It is quite heavy for a single shot. Solid wood stock. Remington made the Model 33 from 1932 to 1935.
The second rifle is a very interesting piece, that I have not been able to find anything on.
It is a .22, single shot, tubular steel, open stock rifle.
It is about 32 inches long.
Has a 7 1/2 inch barrel, and an open sight.
To load the cartridge, you turn a knurled piece at the front, above the barrel, turn the barrel, take out the old brass and insert a new load. Then turn the barrel back and lock it in place.
To fire, there is a knurled knob at the end of a shaft with a spring around it. You pull the shaft back until it locks. Then pull the trigger.
The rifle was made by The Hamilton Rifle Co. of Plymouth, Mich.
I can not make out a model number, or any other markings, other than "Patent Pending".
The company made lots of small .22 rifles and air rifles from the late 19th Century until WW2.
If you have any information on the Hamilton, I would appreciate it.
I will try to take a picture of it, and post it.
Jim Too
:god_bless_usa
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Post by Gene on Nov 1, 2011 3:52:10 GMT 9
its under the guns and the law thing... but this is a good place to start...
everybody uses the same google anymore...but... there may be a site hidden out there...
theres a new show on the gun channel called "gun story" w/ joe montegnia
also a show called the "gun nuts" by field and stream and of couse "american rifleman" features an old gun every week... these are on the Outdoor channel... on comcast or xfinity...
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Post by LBer1568 on Nov 1, 2011 5:19:14 GMT 9
While stationed at RAF Upper Heyford in the 73-78 time frame I picked up a pair of 2-banded Enfield's in .557 caliber. Usually called .58 caliber. I have a long musket with cap/ball setup which has Tower of London Stamp as well as stamps from 2 Royal's probably Victoria and Edward. The long musket has had a Bayonet holder sweated on to it. An antique dealer told me it probably saw service in India and thats where the Bayonet was added. I also have the Bayonet. Its a curved one in pretty good shape. I could probably fire this gun, but the old damascus twist steel kind of scares me. I also found a calvery musket in same 2-banded Enfield .58 caliber design. It is a short gun, probably 29-30 inches long. It was short so calvery could reload while riding. It is in display only condition. I also found an old pepperbox pistol in .32 caliber I think. It is a four shot and also cap and ball from same era...about 1858-1870. I have them all sitting in gun cabinet gathering dust. I used to have all three over the mantle, but with all grandkids comming to visit I have put them away. Someone always took them down and played with them. So they are locked up with my modern weapons.
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Post by Gene on Nov 1, 2011 5:32:10 GMT 9
now thats interesting... do you get out and shoot any of them once in a while... iv got a thompson center hawkin kit i built back in '81... its a .50... love to get it out and pop off a few 190 gr round ball...
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Post by Marvin Pine on Nov 1, 2011 5:47:35 GMT 9
Very interesting Iber, I shoot a reproduction 2-band enfield in compitition. The oldest gun I own is a Winchester model 67 from the '30s.
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Post by Mark O on Nov 1, 2011 8:08:19 GMT 9
Someone posted a question about the oldest weapons any of us own. However, I can't find it, so will start a new thread. ... If you have any information on the Hamilton, I would appreciate it. You may have a winner as far as the oldest rifle Jim Too! Sounds like you have a Hamilton Model #15. Check out this web site with photos and info. This lists it as having an 8 inch barrel. Note the estimated prices listed are from 2007 as well. The 2011 Blue Book lists the Model 15 as being produced from 1901 to 1910 and prices (from Poor to Excellent) are listed as $100/150/200/400/675. You're good with the ATF as well since it's classified as a "Curio & Relic" so you don't have to worry about the barrel length on the rifle. Sounds like a pretty interesting rifle! I'd like to see a photo of yours! Have you ever shot it? home.comcast.net/~jimringbauer/Model15-19.htmlHamilton History... home.comcast.net/~jimringbauer/HamiltonRiflesindex.htmlMark Edit: Whoops! Should have read your post Lonnie! Just saw the dates on your .58! Either way, you both have me by several decades! (And I don't just mean the guns!)
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Jim Scanlon (deceased)
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Nov 1, 2011 9:56:41 GMT 9
Sorry, Mark
Not even close enough for a cigar.
The frame is completely open, no stock of any kind.
There is no bolt.
The company plate is inside the frame on the butt end.
Odd looking gun.
Jim Too
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Post by Mark O on Nov 1, 2011 10:01:39 GMT 9
Fair enough Jim Too. Open the second link in my post. Look through the other models. You possible have one of those, as I believe he has most (if not all) listed. (Possible a #7?
Mark
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Jim Scanlon (deceased)
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Commander South Texas outpost of the County Sligo Squadron
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Nov 1, 2011 11:36:42 GMT 9
Thanks, Mark.
That is the one.
I looked at the Hamilton site, but must have missed the Model 7.
Like I said, it is an odd looking thing.
I have never fired it, don't know if I want to try.
It came from my mother's husband, whom she married when I was forty-two, so I don't consider him to be my step-father.
I also got the Remington Model 33 from him, and a .22 automatic pocket pistol. It is a Breschi - Rugario (I think that's the name).
The Hamilton is in pretty fair shape, but needs to be cleaned up and some oil on the moving parts. It has been in storage for 30 some years.
Jim Too
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