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Post by Gene on Sept 30, 2011 8:49:05 GMT 9
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Post by Bullhunter on Sept 30, 2011 9:16:56 GMT 9
I saw that take-off. we were on our way back from wife's doctor.
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Post by Mark O on Sept 30, 2011 9:27:37 GMT 9
Did ya see the T-33? I caught that in the photo and video in the link. I didn't know they were still flying those chase planes up at Boeing.
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Post by MOW on Sept 30, 2011 13:03:58 GMT 9
Boeing does it again :2thumbsup Airbus who?
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Post by Bullhunter on Sept 30, 2011 14:28:00 GMT 9
No Mark, We did not see the T-33. The traffic light changed and we had to drive off. The aircraft went behind us. I don't know if the T-33 took off after it or not.
I did see months ago the 787 fly over our house with the T-33.
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Post by steve201 (deceased) on Oct 1, 2011 2:53:24 GMT 9
well...the engines on the new -8 are the same engines we're flying on the 787....the T33 chase is always flown out of boeing field in seattle and meets up with the test aircraft when they take off..... we've been flying the T33a forever ....we also have some T38's that fly along too....
people see a large aircraft and instantly believe it's going to be noisy...we've been working with the engine manufacturers to make the engines quieter...notice the nacelles on each engine...those scallups on the aft end reduces engine noise by something like 27%...those are the quietest engines ever made......and 20% more fuel efficient and cleaner burning...
the -8 is a really gorgeous airplane..(not crazy at first about the paint job..but it grew on me.)..
Steve
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Post by lindel on Oct 1, 2011 4:09:15 GMT 9
747s are remarkably quiet, and yes, they're truly big! Triple 7s aren't slouches in the size department either!
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Post by Bullhunter on Oct 1, 2011 5:08:26 GMT 9
Are those RR engines or GE ?
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Post by Gene on Oct 1, 2011 8:04:25 GMT 9
back in the '70s i used to go to the grant co. airport in moses lake for various photo assignments.. i used to watch JAL 747s shoot landings and takeoffs... they had a real odd paintjob almost purple/blue and zinc color i think... but they used to get off the ground and then take a steep up-angle and put the coal to it...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 9:09:40 GMT 9
possible that those were the 400's? there used to be a shorter, hot rod version of the 747, and they used to use some to haul cargo for better gross revenue, they were hot shots, and I think JAL owned most of them.
Yup, they could spit and git
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Post by Gene on Oct 1, 2011 10:12:40 GMT 9
i think they were 200's... i spent a lot of time loading flying tiger and then it turned into fed-ex 747s... a big pain when the automated floor rollers were inop... nose loaders and side loaders. both required a secondary loader... the a/c loaders in the old days(40K's) went 156 inches up in the air... the 747 and kc10 were about 30 or so inchs higher the the loader... so we had to put what amounted to an elevator up to the a/c and then drive the 40ks into it... it would take 3 a.f. 463L pallets at a time... 36 pallets later the a/c was full on the main deck...it also took 9 pallets in the "lower" lobe...
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Post by steve201 (deceased) on Oct 4, 2011 12:11:20 GMT 9
there was one version of the 47 that we called the SP model......the SP or special purpose was a short version that looked funny when it flew....I beleive it was used for cargo...we only made a few and I think they are all retired now........
then came the -100, -200, 400 and now the -8 (blame the merge with Mcdonald douglas)....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 13:04:47 GMT 9
Yes there was a 47 SP. I flew as a passenger in one that flew intra Asian countries. I think it was from Japan to Singapore.
It was a high performance, and there were a few that were used as combination frt and passenger (combi). It always cut time off a through flight, it had the big engines but a smaller body.
I dont think there was a First Class, there was a full business class on the upper deck, and the main deck was all regular passengers. Didn't even have a purser's office and bed, none of the flights were that long.
Thats if my memory isnt totally shot.
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Post by Gene on Oct 4, 2011 16:31:35 GMT 9
iv loaded the nose-loaders and the side-loaders, up to the 400 series i think... never had anything going out on the SP... iv loaded the C5 SP, the one they removed the upper deck so it could take really tall things...both times it was a boeing thing...both times it barely fit... that was around '87 or '88...
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 4, 2011 23:25:01 GMT 9
I'm sure some of you remember when the Air Force had some "really big" carriers that had fans to cool the engines.
The Douglas C-74 (Globemaster) was probably the first that actually flew missions, including the Berlin Airlift and Korea.
There was also the Convair XC-99, a one off bird. It was morphed from the B-36 and never went in to full production, but the one bird did fly out of Kelly for several years.
The Douglas Globemaster led to the C-124 Globemaster II. It even had an elevator to raise and lower cargo to the lower deck. The nose had clamshell doors and ramps to drive in and out.
Next up was the Douglas C-133 Cargomaster. It was the first one with turbines. It was built to carry ICBMs, and other large cargo. The nose lifted and the clamshell rear doors and ramp could load some pretty hefty cargo.
After the Boeing C-97/377 was put out to pasture by the big jets, there were some modified in to the Pregnant Guppy and later the turbine engine version.
Interesting to look back at some of those old "heavy" carriers.
I wonder what the next one will be to replace the heavy lifter 747.
We are back home in Texas.
Got to New Braunfels late yester-day after-noon, and went to Mamacita's for Mexican before we drove to the house.
You don't find real Tex-Mex in North Dakota.
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Post by Gene on Oct 5, 2011 2:58:39 GMT 9
welcome back...that has to be a world of difference between Tx. and ND...from the scenery to the chow...my dad started out as a flight engineer on the 124... transistioned to the 141 in '65... i was being a passenger on the 141 in '75...and then started loading them in '79... i'v seen a C97 once flying... we had a milk run between travis and mcchord for the navy called "quick-trans" it was an L100-382... an 8 pallet C130 flown by southern air...
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Post by lindel on Oct 5, 2011 6:12:46 GMT 9
there was one version of the 47 that we called the SP model......the SP or special purpose was a short version that looked funny when it flew....I beleive it was used for cargo...we only made a few and I think they are all retired now........ then came the -100, -200, 400 and now the -8 (blame the merge with Mcdonald douglas).... Steve There was one at Love Field during the stretch that I worked there. It was there for about the first 10 years that I worked. Ownership was from an Arab country judging from the script on the tail. Talking to one of the FOB employees there, it was Saudi, and the Prince that owned it had forgotten that he sent it over for refurb... Really odd looking.
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Post by steve201 (deceased) on Oct 5, 2011 7:24:47 GMT 9
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Post by Gene on Oct 5, 2011 7:45:43 GMT 9
i used to see what we refered to as the "pregnant guppie" at boeing field... once you loaded the cargo you bolted the back half of the fuselage back on...saw it open once... didn't see what was going on...
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Post by Mark O on Oct 5, 2011 8:23:10 GMT 9
The last time I saw the Dreamlifter (guppie) was back in '07 before they painted it. Talk about strange looking! About those 747SP's. The last time I saw one of those was over in Iraq. It was sitting with all the other ex-Iraqi Airlines scraps at Baghdad. Oh, according to the 747SP web site, there are actually 18 of those still in service. Hmm? www.747sp.com/
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