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Post by bear (Deceased) on Sept 16, 2011 8:54:54 GMT 9
Thanks for the correction lber1568,it's been30 years. We were in TAC at the time probably some guy who never worked the Flt Line or on aircraft where you had 30 different job and thought one person could do everything. By doing that could cut manpoower.
Bear
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Post by biendhoa on Sept 16, 2011 9:00:50 GMT 9
Jim you hit the nail on the head.If they wanted to do that all they had to do is study the operation of a MAC enroute maint sqdn (MASSQ)
What they did was assign a 431 type to an in bound air craft as a forms manager. he coroneted all maint thru maint control the specialist did all the rest. you name it we did it. :salute Jay.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 16, 2011 12:01:25 GMT 9
When I got to The SCAB in November 1952, I was assigned to the 79th Air Base Squadron. We had a T-6D and a C-47A. When an engine or prop change was needed, all us 43s would pull them, put them on a stand and take them to the prop or engine shop. While the unit was in the shop, one of us 431s would stay there until the job was done. If a radio needed work, we pulled the radio, took it to the radio shop and got a replacement. Then we took it back and put it in the plane. If there was a hole in one of the fabric control surfaces, we did the patching. That meant we had to trim the hole, put a new patch of skin over the hole, use a curved needle and thread to sew it in place, then apply several coats of dope, when the dope was dry, we painted it with paint the color of the skin. In other words, the only time we saw a specialist was when we took a unit to him. The only exception was the sheet metal guys. They had to come to the bird to do repairs. It was the same situation with the F-51Ds the 87th FIS had. Sometimes we would help out the 87th with some jobs, like an engine pull or a radiator change.
When we got our Saber Dogs, Things didn't change a whole lot. However, because of placement of some units, we did see the radio guys and E-4 radar guys.
When I worked the alert hanger, we had specialists on each crew (24 on, 48 off), who we trained to launch and recover the 86, they acted as crew chiefs. That way we had to have fewer people at the alert hanger.
I was on a travellng alert crew for a couple years. We would pull alert at other bases when they went to Yuma or Mobile.
We had three 431s on a shift of 7 men. We all helped each other. It was the only way we could get the job done.
In later years, we began going more to specialists, and there was something lost.
I much preferred the crew chief being the guy who did everything on the plane, from cleaning the windshield to packing and loading the drogue chute.
Jim Too
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Post by sixerviper on Sept 21, 2011 11:46:11 GMT 9
"POMO" and "ADTAC". Boy, that makes me even gladder that I was in the ANG by the time that all happened. I was straight TAC by that time (F-105s) and never got into ADC from the Guard side. Eventually, in the F-16 days, all of us different Avionics weenies ended up being responsible for ALL avionics systems, from HUDs to penetration aids.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Sept 21, 2011 12:40:17 GMT 9
What was weird when I started on the 6' in 61 MA-1 did Inst, UHF, TACAN, IFF, along with the MA-1 stuff. When the new UHF, Tacan, and Air Data Computer, and Gyro for the Inst came out Then we had CN&L and inst troops asigned to the Flt Line. these new systems were way more reliable than the old ones but we were not qualified to work on them.
Bear
PS Jim hows the walnut supply?
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Post by shadowgunner on May 12, 2012 8:08:21 GMT 9
Just doing some catchup today. We actually got he MJ-1 working last month. One of the younger volunteers' dad worked on the fuel delivery section and got all cr*p and air out the system. Now it works again. Thanks for listening and offering input, guys.
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Post by cyberdave on May 13, 2012 6:33:38 GMT 9
There was a saying "AGE does it all". Sometimes, a line weenie would pop off about us AGE troops as being lawnmower repairman or the like. The best response I ever heard was from my then supervisor. When were at sunny Zweibrucken GE, an RF4C base. Sully looked at the feller and asked him now many specialist were needed to keep a recce flying. The CC mentioned avionics, sparkies, hydraulic troops, jet mechs, etc. Sully replies that we worked on low pressure air, high pressure air, air cooled engines, water cooled engines, generators, alternators, gas turbines, hydraulics, AC, DC circuitry.... on and on. That sent the CC off a little less inflated.
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Post by Mark O on May 13, 2012 9:28:48 GMT 9
There was a saying "AGE does it all". Sometimes, a line weenie would pop off about us AGE troops as being lawnmower repairman or the like. The best response I ever heard was from my then supervisor. When were at sunny Zweibrucken GE, an RF4C base. Sully looked at the feller and asked him now many specialist were needed to keep a recce flying. The CC mentioned avionics, sparkies, hydraulic troops, jet mechs, etc. Sully replies that we worked on low pressure air, high pressure air, air cooled engines, water cooled engines, generators, alternators, gas turbines, hydraulics, AC, DC circuitry.... on and on. That sent the CC off a little less inflated. Dave, I believe it! Many moons ago when I was getting ready to test for Tech I went down to the orderly room to get my copy of the crew chief CDCs to study. We only had three volumes, and stacked on top of each other they were about an inch and a half thick. Well, the clerk (or whatever they called themselves that year) went back, and brought me a stack of CDCs about 6-7 inches thick. (About 10-12 volumes as I recall.) My first thought was, "Holy study guides Batman! They sure added a bunch of material to the crew chief CDCs!" Turned out they were AGE troop CDCs! I gained a bunch of respect for those AGE troops when I learned what they had to study -- and get tested on. :salute
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on May 16, 2012 8:23:09 GMT 9
When I arrived at The SCAB in November 1952, I was assigned to the 79th Air Base Squadron.
Our equipment was a C-47A and a T-6D.
We did most everything on both birds.
I had a radio quit on the T-6, I was the assistant crew chief.
I pulled the radio, carried it to the radio shop, helped the radio man repair it, then took it back to the plane and checked it out.
We had ground power equipment that belonged to us.
If the air compressor quit, yep, we fixed it.
It was that way with all of our equipment.
I still remember helping put a WW2 Steam Jenny back in to commission, so we could clean the engines and nacelles on the Gooney Bird, and the engine and belly on the Texan.
When we got our C-82s, nothing changed.
Same with the C-119s.
When I went to the 14th FIS to work on F-86Ds, we didn't do as much on the ground power equipment. It had evolved to the point there needed to be trained mechanics for it. Well, most of it.
We did have to do some work, even on the yellow Jeeps with a large generator mounted above the engine, which was used to start airplanes.
By 1955, when I got to the 519th/13th FIS, we had a full crew of ground power guys.
Seeing I was working on the Saber Dog, my fatigues were always cleaner than any Ground Power guy.
The opposed engines were the dirtiest. The tall ones with a Chrysler V-8 in them the cleanest.
Even so, there were times over the years, when we had to work on the equipment if we wanted to use it.
As long as I was working on airplanes, I had to preflight the Ground Power units, even add oil to the ones with engines.
Really liked the electric power units we used on the various planes.
Only thing I had to do with them was to pick up the cables and hook the unit up to a pintle hook to tow it.
Jim Too
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