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Post by tinwolf on Jul 7, 2011 0:11:33 GMT 9
I thought I might start a thread with interesting low level pictures. My first one is a B-52 skimming the waves as seen from a New Zealand A-4. :2thumbsup I would think that someone who`s good with maths could work out how low it is.
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Post by MOW on Jul 7, 2011 7:17:10 GMT 9
I thought I might start a thread with interesting low level pictures. My first one is a B-52 skimming the waves as seen from a New Zealand A-4. I would think that someone who`s good with maths could work out how low it is. Yea, I'm pretty good at math tin. And based on the shadow of the BUFF on the water, the angle of the photo, the color tint and glare I'd say in my professional option the level of that BUFF is... PRETTY DAMN LOW! :rofl
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 8:00:49 GMT 9
the tail gunner is actually trolling. they think they might have spotted bin Laden floating just below the surface. and they thought they could smell him too
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jul 7, 2011 8:22:08 GMT 9
If you have never seen a BUFF flying lower than the tops of the COOP grain elevators across the Plains, you have missed a sight.
Whilst at The Goose, we would get lots of V Bombers on the transient ramp. I worked at the 59th FIS Alert Hanger, and the transient ramp was not far away.
In 1959 and 60 the V Bombers were at the top of the heap.
We were able to wander around them, get pictures and talk to the crews.
We also got a Lancaster or two dropping in for a visit.
There is nothing like the sound of four Merlins wound up for takeoff.
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Post by Mark O on Jul 7, 2011 9:06:31 GMT 9
I think all that nonsense was put to a stop after the Fairchild crash. There are more complete videos of the event, but this one shows the segment where Lt Col Holland cleared the ridge line by "30 feet" according to most sources. Some say he was lower than that. Judge for yourself. That said, I have to say as a C-130 guy getting "in the dirt" was pretty exciting. Of course, we rarely went below 250' AGL, and everyone was very alert when we did low-levels. The cows we flew over didn't much care for it though! This was in Colorado back in '08. My loadmaster took this video through the "bubble" with my camera. I was kind of busy! Click on the photo below, and it will show the video! Mark
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Post by tinwolf on Jul 7, 2011 16:57:10 GMT 9
Impressive stuff Mark. I`ve flown as a passenger at low level in Jet Provosts, Hawks and once in a Jaguar and there`s nothing like it. Next a Buccaneer at normal operating altitude. It doesn`t take off so much as just lift the gear up.
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Post by MOW on Jul 7, 2011 17:09:40 GMT 9
Impressive stuff Mark. I`ve flown as a passenger at low level in Jet Provosts, Hawks and once in a Jaguar and there`s nothing like it. Next a Buccaneer at normal operating altitude. It doesn`t take off so much as just lift the gear up. Yup those and also the Tornadoes... tree top level is too high And speaking of the Buccaneer... how much does a pirate pay for corn? :rofl
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Post by jimpadgett on Jul 7, 2011 22:53:02 GMT 9
I think all that nonsense was put to a stop after the Fairchild crash. There are more complete videos of the event, but this one shows the segment where Lt Col Holland cleared the ridge line by "30 feet" according to most sources. Some say he was lower than that. Judge for yourself. That said, I have to say as a C-130 guy getting "in the dirt" was pretty exciting. Of course, we rarely went below 250' AGL, and everyone was very alert when we did low-levels. The cows we flew over didn't much care for it though! This was in Colorado back in '08. My loadmaster took this video through the "bubble" with my camera. I was kind of busy! Click on the photo below, and it will show the video! Mark Mark: While stationed at Pope we had a C-130E come back from a LAPES at Bragg with the wheel wells packed with pine branches, needles and cones took several hours for my AR troops to dig the stuff out. Herky did it in the dirt regularly. Everything was tried. Once parachute extracted a road grader. Assault landings were frightening to watch. When the "........do it in the ........" sayings were popular, "Herkys do it in the dirt" was at the top of the list to those in the business.
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Post by Bullhunter on Jul 8, 2011 0:17:30 GMT 9
Cool video Mark. In 1999 I watched and listened to a British Langcaster at a small airshow in western NY. They do make a distint sound. Most of those WWII war birds do.
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Post by tinwolf on Jul 8, 2011 0:23:04 GMT 9
My first tour was at RAF Coningsby back in `77 which at the time housed 3 squadrons of F-4Ms. The Battle of Britain Memorial flight was (and still is) based there with Spitfires, Hurricanes and a Lancaster.
We used to hate them because we had to work most weekends during the Summer and the Squadron Leader who flew the Lanc then was a right git. :razz
Happy dayz
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Post by LBer1568 on Jul 8, 2011 10:58:38 GMT 9
Jim, I was out at Dyess doing Acceptence testing on the C-130H simulator. We had some crews doing stall recovery testing in Sim and were impreswsed with the Visual simulation as well as the "feel" of the Motion system. Next day they had a C-130H that had stalled during a LAPES extraction. Low level Drough Shute delivery. They did a great job of recovering and brought back a scrub pine tree in right Paratrooper door. They claim the training in Simulator saved the A/C because they recognized the stall earlier and recovered. We also had an HC-130P Crew scrape the bottom of airframe at Kirtland. Seems pilot was not the brightest and he was grounded for a while after that flight. F/E threatened him after flight, but no charges were brought to F/E. Mark probably has some stories of low levels.
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Post by Mark O on Jul 8, 2011 12:15:17 GMT 9
I never found any myself, but I heard plenty of stories from crew chiefs here at Dyess that pulled rabbit remains out of landing gear, and APUs after landing on our assault strip! I know for a fact that I never hit a tree (thought I came close a couple times!), or something fixed to the ground. I have taken out a few birds, however! We would actually have to send any bird remains we found to the Smithsonian, but it was rare we found remains. There are folks there that do the research on bird strikes for the FAA, USAF, etc. I never knew that until I became a crew chief. Here's a typical bird strike I experienced on a Herk. This was back in October 2008 in the desert. Flying around here in Texas we all were always "eyes up" looking for birds when we flew low-levels. They are actually easier to see, than avoid! We got lucky most of the time though! Mark Edit: I just remembered a funny thing all the IPs used to tell the students when we would practice 3-engine go-arounds. We would do a normal (well, normal for a 3-engine) approach then the IP would tell the student pilot flying, "Okay, there's a bus full of Nuns on the runway. Go around." That never got old!
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jul 8, 2011 22:29:47 GMT 9
In the Summer of 1960 the 59th, at The Goose, was not flying anything but T-Birds and our L-20.
All our F-89Js were gone, and we were yet to see our Deuces.
The RCAF was filling our alert duties, flying CF-100 Canucks.
It was always fun to watch them.
They drove their birds like sport cars, and made our pilots look sane.
I never tired of seeing the Canucks come back from a flight, headed toward the end of the short runway, very low, no gear. Then as they went over the end of the runway, they would take it up far enough to turn it on it's back, and as it was turning over, extend the undercarriage. Then they would continue the roll and make a 360 turn and set her on the concrete.
I'm sure the people in the tower didn't appreciate their maneuvers, but they never stopped.
If an American pilot did that on landing, it would probably mean his ticket got pulled.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Jul 10, 2011 8:21:55 GMT 9
Back when the Air Force was not PC, we had ADC, and pilots who had fun flying, I remember a couple of "low flying" situations.
In those days we would go to Yuma Air Base (later Vincent AFB) before it became MCAS Yuma.
Not too far from Yuma is the All American Canal, the Colorado River and other canals.
Our pilots very much enjoyed flying low, following the canals or river. Some would even fly down the big, concrete canal, dropping under the rim level.
It was also common for fighters to fly below the South Rim of the Grand Canyon.
Whilst at The SCAB, we would get periodic visits from the (self-proclaimed) oldest First Lieutenant in the Air Force.
He always flew a B-25, and was always alone.
He always parked in the 13th FIS area. He had a friend in the squadron who would loan him his car.
One time he requested a Gear Check from the tower to make sure all three were down and locked.
He went by the tower, but was too high for the civilian controller.
He was asked if he could bring it down a bit and they would check.
So, he pulled the gear up, pushed the throttles forward and went right in front of the tower greenhouse.
Then he dropped the gear, went around and landed.
Maybe that is one of the reasons he was the oldest Silver Bar in the Air Force.
Some of us met his parents on a TDY to Malmstrom. They owned a bar and grill in the town of Coulee, not far from Great Falls.
No, there was no complaint filed and he never had any problems because of his "Gear Check".
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Post by Mark O on Jul 10, 2011 8:51:32 GMT 9
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Post by jimpadgett on Jul 10, 2011 22:13:35 GMT 9
Excellent.
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Post by Jim on Jul 10, 2011 23:43:35 GMT 9
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Post by tinwolf on Jul 10, 2011 23:59:57 GMT 9
Would it an attachment for some sort of IFR training hood?
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Post by LBer1568 on Jul 11, 2011 0:23:20 GMT 9
Does anyone remember the F-106 used to test the Terrain Following RADAR later used on F-111 Aircraft? Being in F-111E Program for 6 years at Upper Heyford I saw some photo's of F106 pilots doing treetop flights. One pilot there had flown it and said they popped a lot of rivits when testing the hard Ride mode. F-111's could go as low as 50" AGL in Hard ride mode. It was wild as pilots would report it.
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Post by Jim on Jul 11, 2011 2:35:57 GMT 9
Would it an attachment for some sort of IFR training hood? It was to get pilots thru their instrument flight qualifications. The hood slid forward and covered all areas of observation.... Where I could maintain straight and level flight with the hood stowed, I was like a rabbit hopping up and down when under the hood.... Grew out of the habit of having a death grip on the stick when I couldn't see the horizon........
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