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Post by Jim on May 16, 2011 9:36:59 GMT 9
) DICK DURAND WESTERNAIIR NC Location: ALBUQUERQUE NM www.aerocontroller.com/aircraft-for-sale-classifieds-airplanes-jets-helicopters.html?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=1&sobi2Id=3964 Yesterday at 14:24 Host: 70-59-101-22.albq.qwest.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F Y I WE ARE NOW OFFERING A PACKAGE OF 3 F106 AIRFRAMES FORSALE. ONE AND POSSIBLY 2 CAN BE MADE FLYABLE. INCLUDED IS ONE J75 ENGINE AND A CUSTOM MADE JIG FOR HOLDING THE AIRFRAME DURING REBUILD/RESTORATION. I BELIEVE IT TO BE THE MOST COMPLETE 106 PACKAGE IN THE WORLD AND IS PRICED TO SELL NOW. PLEASE CALL OR EMAIL IF YOU HAVE ANY SERIOUS INTEREST IN THIS MOST UNIQUE PACKAGE. DICK.
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Post by Lee Nellist on May 16, 2011 10:42:31 GMT 9
Representing the guy in El Paso?
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Post by Jim on May 16, 2011 11:06:53 GMT 9
Representing the guy in El Paso? no idea, call him................
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Post by MOW on May 16, 2011 12:29:36 GMT 9
Interesting. Where there any left that were not cut and could be made flyable again? I don't recall that being the case.
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Post by ma1marv on May 16, 2011 13:54:34 GMT 9
I went to the website and his posted price is $295,000. :cry
Seems like we might need to dig up a corporate sponsor or two and then get a place to put one back together. Sure would be great to have one still flying! I'm in for some cash! How about anyone else???
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Post by Jim on May 16, 2011 22:31:51 GMT 9
Interesting. Where there any left that were not cut and could be made flyable again? I don't recall that being the case. Yes, these 2 and possibly a B model..... These have not had the main spars cut............................
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Post by Tom Dlugosh on May 17, 2011 1:28:50 GMT 9
It seems to me that the B model was the furthest along in the refurbishment the last time I looked at the web site many ears ago.
I'm in for some cash. If the B model becomes flyable, I want a ride!
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Post by marv2 on May 17, 2011 22:29:08 GMT 9
MOW, was just looking at your guestbook and check out entry #15
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Post by jimpadgett on May 17, 2011 22:30:23 GMT 9
I am in for some cash too.
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Post by Jim on May 18, 2011 0:28:39 GMT 9
Our old friend COUGAR'S take on this.....
Gentlemen, that's a $295 thou asking price. They would more than likely settle for $250, saving $45 for transport expenses to wherever. Assuming one of them is a B model, it could be kept as the builder, with one other airframe held as reserve for parts. The third airframe could be sold to an interested party as a display acft. I'm assuming these acft are 3 of the 5 that went to the private party in El Paso, is that correct? If so, that would mean the spars weren't cut on all of them, and it would mean no government intervention except for an airworthyness certificate. It also means that 2 airframes are not accounted for. What happened to them? Were they stripped and sold for scrap, with all usable parts kept, or were they otherwise disposed of? I guess what I'm saying is that as a group we have more than enough talent to put one of these in the air, keeping in mind that all features are not required (nor would they be allowable). What we lack are financial resources. As I mentioned in an earlier email, somebody paid 5 million dollars for a 427 Cobra; certainly there must be somebody willing to invest 5 million for a chance to own a flyable J-75 Dart.
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Post by Tom Dlugosh on May 18, 2011 0:46:47 GMT 9
The only problem is that the '6 would cost more to run for an hour than the Cobra could consume in the fore-seeable future (assuming it's driven everyday.) Still, to put a '6 in the air would be worth it.
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Post by ma1marv on May 18, 2011 0:48:56 GMT 9
Just some emails I have had on this topic! Anyone else want to chime in??? Thought you all might like to know! Minds ARE at work! MArv :fire_missle_ani :patriotic-flagwaver :green-beer :green-beer Guys: What always seems to bother me about a project like this is the govt sticking it's nose into it & causing all kinds of roadblocks. Why in the hell should they care if a bunch of vets wants to restore a 50 year plus airplane to flying status. Do those damn fools think we're trying to start WWIII!!! We & the world would be much better off if they remembered they're public survants & simply did their job. If any of us were as hap hazard with our finances as our govt is we would have starved many years ago!! A somewhat estimation of restoration costs would be to find our how much it cost to restore the F106 at the Castle Air Museum. Then factor in the cost of restoring to operational status a J75 engine. I'd be willing to gamble that if an F106 was brought back to flying status that we would have a gaggle of X Dart pilots beating down the doors!!! Would love to have a buck for every time I heard a J75 burner light over my 12 years with Darts & Thuds I'd throw one hell of a party!!! Ron KOllas HEy Ron - I never knew that AFCS went BACK to you guys! Yes - the NEW AFCS was integral to the MA-1 computer but I do believe that with some newer engineering - that the whole computer system could be replaced with a loptop! The signals are available on the TECH Orders and just getting one of the young whizz kids to come up with a program should not be that hard. Hell- the games of today that involve flying make believe aircraft are more powerful than any program we had on the computer drum! We need a lot of lead - start saving your wheel weights! Just think we could engineer something that HUGHES only could dream of! As for a pilot - Yeager was and is still flying! I'm sure we can find one or two of our own that would give it a flight or two. Even if they ARE 70 years young! Just ask Stultz! He might have to modify the cockpit - Make the seat a bit wider! Oh - we could use LESS lead weights! HEHEHE!! MArv Marv: I was an AFCS troop, but I left the 460th FIS as they were giving the AFCS system back to the MA-1 troops! As for replacing the MA-1 system with lead weights I have this question. The old AFCS system got it's power from the MA-1 system. Would assume that remained true after the last mod. Would be surprised to know if the new system came with it's own power supplies. A neat question would be, who would be the youngest pilot we could find to fly the dang thing?!!! Believe they stopped flying them sometime in the 80's which would mean any pilot we found would not be a spring chicken to say the least!! Would imagine at this point in time that any survivor would be a vertical tape bird. Which would mean the CADC system would have to be functional. About all that would be required of the AFCS system would be the damper system. Parts availability would be the major concern & the condition of same. As long as one had copies of the tech orders & parts I'm sure there would be people who could do the job. But like we agree it certainly wouldn't be cheap. Ron ----- Its too bad that Howard Hughes isn't still around! Hey - how about Warren Buffet?? He's a Nebraska boy - I may have to try that! Maybe Mr Buffet has a spare $10 mil or so just laying around. Oh - cannot leave out Mr Steve Jobs and his computers! Might be able to fly the thing with only an IPAD inside! I have a watch with more computer memory in it than the onboard computer ever had! To me the mechanics of putting one together and getting it to flying status should not be that daunting of a task - provided all the mechanical parts are there. The biggest challenge I think would be getting a "Flight Computer" and some form of onboard computer to control the AFCS system. As for the avionics - lead weights will do! After all - the Drones flew without any MA-1 (Sad for me!). MArv Marv: The $295,000 would just be the startup costs of the project. Now consider the costs of the actual restoration, & the probably nearly impossible task of finding any needed parts to do so. I think one would have to take a real hard look at what he's getting for the startup money before comitting himself to the project. The part about having more than one airframe is great, but with only one engine it gets kind of scary. The only other bird that used the J75 was the F105 & don't think there's any of those laying around either, although the Collings foundation is trying to restore one & is having tons of problems. Now if we could make this a pet project for some member of congress the funds might just magicly appear!!!! grin!!! Ron Who do you think might be interested in bankrolling a project like this? ? TRUMP! Now that he is out of the Prez Race??? How about getting the "Ol Gen Yeager" interested - I bet he has some connections yet! MArv As cool as this would be, I'm not sure anyone could get a Six back in the air. The reason I think that is knowing what the Collings Foundation has gone through trying to get their F-105 back in the air. Yes, they have their F-4 flying, but it's been one road block after another with their Thud. They may another source for a J-75 however! What the hell, put me down for a grand! Mark > $295,000.00 - Tough price, but not impossible! I'm in for a Grand, so that leave just 294 of you who would give their left one just to hear a J-75 spool up in the middle of the night on the trim pad when the air is thick and heavy. This could be topped off with a few roaring torches for that full adrenaline rush, not to mention pissing off the SAC Alert crews. > > In looking at this realistically: somebody with money will recognize the bragging rights that would go along with owning the worlds fastest single engine aircraft and drop 5 mil for the chance. (5 mil was the price paid for Carroll Shelby's personal 427 Cobra a few years back at Barrett-Jackson, and we all know that a J-75 Dart would draw a bigger crowd. Douglas Fahnlander
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Post by ma1marv on May 18, 2011 1:01:01 GMT 9
To take a thought from the NEW "OBUMMA" campaign -
"I'M IN!!!"
At least for the "6" and getting one flying again!
MArv :fire_missle_ani :patriotic-flagwaver :green-beer :drunk
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Post by Jim on May 18, 2011 5:28:47 GMT 9
From Col Ross Shulmister;
What ??!?!?? Missiles are NOT included with the airframes ??!?!??
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Post by Jim on May 18, 2011 8:54:49 GMT 9
New price on the six pack:
) DICK DURAND Location: ALBUQUERQUE NM 18 minutes ago Host: 70-59-111-155.albq.qwest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE PRICE FOR THE F106 PKG IS NOW $265,000. PHOTOS AND INITIAL SPECIFICATIONS ARE AVAILABLE. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST. DICK DURAND, WESTERNAIR INC
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Post by ma1marv on May 18, 2011 13:17:11 GMT 9
Here is some info on the "6's" that are for sale. I'll see about posting some pics. All the files are too large to load. I'll have to see if i can get them down in size. If you want to see a pic - email me and I'll send it that way - for now.
They sent me some info on what is there. Sure is sad to see these birds like this!
MArv :fire_missle_ani :patriotic-flagwaver :cry
Here is the list with some info on the airframes.
DIYL: F106 INFO QF-106 AIRFRAMES 1 QF-106B 57-2509, minimal records, fuselage exterior paint stripped, cockpit equipment removed, fuselage installed in jig. 2. QF-106B 57-2543, minimal records, fuselage exterior paint stripped, disassembled. 3. QF-106B 57-2545, no records, disassembled. 4. QF-106A 58-0786, 58-0786, no records, assembled in prep for static display. Primered gray. 5. QF-106A 59-0047 781 records only. Assembled in prep for static display. REASON FOR TERMINATION FROM DRONE PROGRAM 1. 57-2509-Drone wire bundle fire in lower electronics bay-no structural damage from fire. 2. 57-2543 –Nose gear damage. 3. 57-2545-cracked engine inlet duct. 4. 58-0786- cracked wire spar. 5. 59-0047-cracked wire spar. NOTES 1. Only airframe with date plate is 57-2509. Others were evidently removed at Tyndal AFB. 2. All control stick grips are missing. I have located one in Alamogordo and I personally own one. 3. 3 Ejection seats are included 4. Cockpits had some instruments still in them-I removed them and boxed, tagged them . 5. All parts removed from 57-2509 in prep for restoration were tagged and boxed. 6. NO canopy actuators as they were part of the ejection system. 7. New longerons etc. manufactured to attach tails as it came from factory. Enough new parts for 2 aircraft. 8. 1 J75-P-19 Engine minus tail pipe and nozzle-afterburner diffuser is on the engine. Tail pipe shroud is on hand. No records, engine is from F-106.
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Post by MOW on May 18, 2011 16:45:01 GMT 9
Damn I wish I had a ton of money! This just sounds like too much fun, I mean building something like this up.
Hey, the Donald isn't running for prez anymore so he should have some spare cash now. Ok, who knows the Donald?
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Post by Cougar on May 19, 2011 9:12:50 GMT 9
The only problem is that the '6 would cost more to run for an hour than the Cobra could consume in the fore-seeable future (assuming it's driven everyday.) Still, to put a '6 in the air would be worth it. I've driven a 27 Cobra and rode the rear seat in a 6, and believe me when I say that the 6 produces a rush that you remember for a lifetime.
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Post by MOW on May 19, 2011 21:15:23 GMT 9
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Post by Jim on May 26, 2011 7:51:09 GMT 9
Rec'd today from Dick Durand at Westernaire;
GOOD DAY - I AM FORWARDING YOU THREE EMAILS WITH PHOTOS OF THE 106 PKG TAKEN YETERDAY F Y I WE NOW HAVE 4 AIRFRAMES AND 1 ENGINE - ONE AIRFRAME IS BEING DONATED TO A PRIVATE MUSEUM - THERE ARE 3 2 SEATERS AND ONE SINGLE SEATER - THE SINGLE SEATER IS THE ONE IN THESE PHOTOS (PAINTED SOLD GRAY) I DON'T HAVE THE SER NBR IN FRONT OF ME - THE OTHER AIRPLANE HAS ORANGE DAYGLO PAINT AT ANY EVENT THERE ARE NOW 4 TOTAL AIRFRAMES AND THE ONE ENGINE - CHEERS, DICK DURAND / WESTERNAIR INC
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