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Post by Jim on Dec 20, 2010 3:08:45 GMT 9
How about this sports fans?  ?? Pay levels for enlisted men at that time were established by executive order until July 1, 1908. An act of May 13, 1908, established that the U.S. Congress would set pay for enlisted men. However, during the Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, by executive order alone, temporarily decreased the pay of all Armed Forces personnel by 15 percent from April 1, 1933, to June 30, 1934, and 5 percent from July 1, 1934, to June 30, 1935. Another Democratic ploy used for re-election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Old Sarge 70.00 per month for a CPO (Navy) x 15% = 10.50 pay cut x 12 mo = 126.00 pay cut.............. |
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Post by Mark O on Dec 20, 2010 7:01:31 GMT 9
If they knew for sure that they could get away with it, I'm convinced they would drop our pay today. In a heartbeat. Wasn't the scuttlebutt earlier this year that would try to freeze our pay like the rest of the federal employees? BTW, here's that old pay chart link I posted sometime back. It only goes back to 1949, and there are a few gaps, but you get the gist. www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/militarypaypriorrates.htmlMark |
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Post by Jim on Dec 20, 2010 8:51:14 GMT 9
Wow,in 1956, as a SSgt with 3 years service, I drew 163.80 base pay, 77.10 for quarters ( at that time, they took 32.90 and added it to the quarters and sent the wife 110.00 as a dependants allowance to be sure the wife got something when we were overseas, if memory serves me right, she got the allotment even after I reenlisted and we were at Griffiss), with 30.00 seperate rations, we got a total 270.90........ On the 2008 pay scale, a SSgt with 3 years service gets base pay of 2037.00, quarters allowance of 744.00 a month and 294.00 rations, it comes to a total of 3075.00 a month....... Todays rations allowance is greater than my total paycheck!!!!!!!!! I think we got about 3-4 dollars a month clothing allowance......... How much of this is taxed today? ? 54 years makes a hell of a lot of difference, but not sure if the PC crap is worth it..................... Gasoline averaged .12 a gallon then and cigarettes were 10 cents a pack on base, beer came in steel cans also............ |
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Post by Mark O on Dec 20, 2010 12:00:26 GMT 9
How much was the life insurance worth back then Jim? We call it SGLI - Serviceman's Group Life Insurance today. Penny gets $400,000 if I officially kick the bucket in the next eight months! It was only $100K when I first came in back in 1983.
Mark
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Dec 20, 2010 13:35:16 GMT 9
For all of my career there was $10,000 life insurance.
It could not be converted, and once you retired it was gone.
I don't know when the present system started, but has much larger figures now than early on. As I recall, it started at $25,000.
Maybe Jim One can come up with a better answer.
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Post by pat perry on Dec 21, 2010 2:43:50 GMT 9
Speaking of past pay practices, check out this NFL Football Green Bay Packers contract from 1944. That was pretty big money back then and look how long the contract is... one page. Today they have multi-year, 7-8 digit contracts with probably 50-100 pages. My 12 month 1968 USAF W-2 was $2409.00 as a staff sgt. or $201 /mo. As a single 22 year old troop, I thought I was rich... until I discovered inflation as a civilian in 1970.  Pat P. |
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Post by Bullhunter on Dec 21, 2010 3:56:04 GMT 9
July/August 1971 basic training. I was making $138 a month.
I never enlisted in the USAF for the money.
Sometime during Technical School at Chanute AFB, Ill. President Nixon gave us that big over night pay increase to bring us closer to civilian wages.
I liked Nixon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2010 4:44:44 GMT 9
Mark, SGLI was not available if you came in after 1 Jan '50, The guys that had it kept it up because they were getting dividends that were almost as much as they were paying in, unlike SS, it went into a fund that wasn't robbed for something else.............. Jim Too is right all we had was 10,000 and it ended 30 days after you got out, discharged or retired.................
Beer still came in steel cans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Old Sarge
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Post by oswald on Dec 21, 2010 6:23:54 GMT 9
One thing about the USAF was there wasn't much a chance of getting layed off.
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2010 9:10:21 GMT 9
One thing about the USAF was there wasn't much a chance of getting layed off. Not really true, during my 25 plus years, there were 4 or 5 RIFs with many forced retirements for guys that had the 20 minimum.......... Forced xtraining or out you went............. Then come along the requirement to attain a certain rank by a certain time in service or out you went.... There were many enlisted hurt in '57 by the officer RIF which had a trickle down effect.......... Just this past year there was a RIf of about 6000 enlisted, even though a lot of the slots were taken by retirements, there were many denied reenlistment, so yes, the possibility does exist for the enlisted to be laid off................ If for no other reason than that old catch all "For the Convience of the Govt"....... With the current and future intent to put the USA in harms way, you will see the military further reduced in size.............. However, the unwanted GI is still eligible for unemployment, maybe even for up to 99 weeks........... The Old Sarge |
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Dec 21, 2010 9:47:13 GMT 9
One of the results of RIFs was those officers who chose to go to an enlisted rank, usually a top three, E-5, 6 or 7, and that meant some enlisted man would be put out of a job.
We had a clerk in our maintenance office at Ubon, who held a National Guard rank of Lt.Col., he had and Active Duty rank of E-4.
He had been RIFd from the active to his last enlisted rank. It was interesting, when the state he was from promoted him to Col., he got orders sending him to the States, well in advance of his rotation date. Pretty nice guy, but real spit and polish. Never wore fatigues, and his dress shoes looked like he had just come from an inspection. Yes, he had over 20.
That was in 1967.
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Post by Mark O on Dec 21, 2010 10:03:32 GMT 9
Speaking of past pay practices, check out this NFL Football Green Bay Packers contract from 1944. That was pretty big money back then and look how long the contract is... one page. Pat P. Nice! I imagine Item #3 is no longer included in the standard NFL contract. Too bad. "3. The Player agrees that during said season he will faithfully serve the Club, and pledges himself to the American public to conform to high standards of fair play and good sportsmanship."Mark |
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