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Post by murrayb on Oct 28, 2009 13:36:13 GMT 9
Okey dokey with the "Big MI Gig". The French Mirage is in a parking lot behind the Business Legal Heise KUREK KARIN agency west of Paris in Sèvres, France. (Date: 2009) Heise KUREK KARIN Identity / Activity Legal Form Liberal profession Registration 01/2008 Activity (EPA) 7021Z - Public relations and communication 3, Chemin Desvallières 92410 Ville d'Avray, France Piece a cake finding it. Here's some help. www.williamlong.info/google/archives/632.htmlFind it here, it is: Google MapsAJ  Congratulations, daoleguy, I have to admit that you have the correct answer. What threw me was I thought France switched to deltas with canard foreplanes years ago. I was looking for some country that operated them more recently. It is unlikely that a Pakistani aircraft would be parked in Paris so I will also have to agree that this aircraft was also in French service and should also have French markings. Great work, and I look forward to the next puzzle. |
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Oct 28, 2009 13:52:01 GMT 9
Murray, I used to do that for a living.  AJ |
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Post by murrayb on Oct 28, 2009 14:40:24 GMT 9
Murray, I used to do that for a living. AJ Well, AJ, you still got it and the exercise was a learning experience for me. Now I know that markings can become distorted in satellite photos. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Tomorrow I will go on google maps and see if I can get a clearer satellite view of the aircraft. |
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Oct 28, 2009 14:47:36 GMT 9
Good luck. Very few sat images via civilian capture get closer than 10m per inch resolution. If you can find 2-3m that will do it. That is close, but I have seen much closer. Very impressive.
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Post by murrayb on Oct 28, 2009 15:13:08 GMT 9
Good luck. Very few sat images via civilian capture get closer than 10m per inch resolution. If you can find 2-3m that will do it. That is close, but I have seen much closer. Very impressive. AJ Yes, but there is greater lesson to be learned here. It is about the difference between having information and understanding the information. We had the same data but came to different conclusions. Mine was a perfectly logical interpretation of the photo but it was wrong. You understood the meaning of the photo and came to the correct conclusion. Today, most people with computers have access to vast amounts of information but that is not the same as knowledge. Thanks for the knowledge. |
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Oct 28, 2009 15:20:18 GMT 9
Your welcome Murray. But remember it took me years to "see"" through things in images. Hehehe, that why they paid me the big bucks! RIGHT!
Did you check the link I sent? If you note the aircraft scenario is different than the original post. One vehicle, a van, has moved.
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Post by murrayb on Oct 28, 2009 15:59:49 GMT 9
Did you check the link I sent? If you note the aircraft scenario is different than the original post. One vehicle, a van, has moved. AJ Yes, I checked the photo and it looked like the van moved over by the nose of the aircraft. I will practice looking at the image until I can see the French markings too. That should help me to understand other satellite photos in the future. In Canada our MI guys do this sort of thing. They take a photograph of a piece of unknown equipment and identify it. Then they extrapolate to support equipment and personnel and whatever that relates to. From a little photograph they can somehow get a complete picture. This is why I called this a MI puzzle. What do you call it in the States? |
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Post by murrayb on Oct 28, 2009 18:31:27 GMT 9
Found out why its in the parking lot. It is some sort of monument. The aircraft is by some kind of engineering building on a University campus near the coordinates. It is called "Ville d'Avray" and seems to be some kind of aeronautical technical school that started in 1946. The school appears to be part of, or associated with, the University of Paris X [not sure what the X stands for] This is supposed to be the same aircraft from the side.  Hey, that means it is not a strange thing to be found there at all. |
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Post by Bullhunter on Oct 28, 2009 23:59:05 GMT 9
murrayb, That was some good bloodhound work.
So, I feel I need to give you a positive karma.
Thanks for solving that.
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Oct 29, 2009 1:51:27 GMT 9
Nice find Murray. Did my initial results help you out? I tried to give you enough to have fun digging around with a baseline to go from.  AJ |
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Post by Bullhunter on Oct 29, 2009 2:10:09 GMT 9
Sorry there AJ, I did not notice you post above about the link. Guess you and murray had a bit of team effort going there.
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Post by murrayb on Oct 29, 2009 3:16:49 GMT 9
murrayb, That was some good bloodhound work. So, I feel I need to give you a positive karma. Thanks for solving that. Thanks but it was AJ that solved most of it. He determined what it was and where. Nice find Murray. Did my initial results help you out? I tried to give you enough to have fun digging around with a baseline to go from. AJ You gave the what and where and the address of the nearest business. Given the “Ville d’Avray” in the address of the business it was fairly simple to find the who. Once that was known the why became obvious. Since the when was always known to be recent we have now solved the mystery completely. I wonder if there is a cash prize for that? It is interesting that the ground level photograph shows that the centre blue spot of the roundel has faded until it can hardly be seen. It is still visible but if it fades much more the roundel will look Danish or something. The amazing thing about this is that when none of us knew where it was and looking at a photograph where the blue centre spot is not really visible how did you correctly identify the aircraft type and operator? |
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Post by daoleguy A.J. Hoehn (deceased) on Oct 29, 2009 4:06:50 GMT 9
This thread has gotten interesting. Has anyone else here done and Photo Interp or Intel Analysis? Curious.
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Post by Mark O on Oct 29, 2009 8:50:19 GMT 9
This thread has gotten interesting. Has anyone else here done and Photo Interp or Intel Analysis? Curious. AJ Does being a 98C2S, Electronic Warfare Signals Intelligence Analyst for 17 years in the US Army count? Mostly dits and dahs, and crypto-type work. We never really worked with the photo phreaks -- I mean interpreters! -- that much! Oh, the stories I could tell if it ever gets unclassified. I used to tell people I took the raw intel data, sorted it out, and threw most of it away. The stuff we kept and reported on was usually pretty good. Here's a better example. Remember the movie "Midway" and the character Commander Joseph Rochefort (who was a real person, and played a very significant role) played by Hal Holbrook? The intel guys in the basement that never showered, and didn't know what day it was? They figured out the Japanese code for Midway Island? That's pretty much what I did. We showered though! Mark Here's a good read on Captain Rochefort... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Rochefort |
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Post by jimpadgett on Oct 29, 2009 22:58:39 GMT 9
This is why I defer to the experts.
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