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Post by steve201 (deceased) on Oct 3, 2011 22:05:49 GMT 9
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Post by Bullhunter on Oct 3, 2011 23:46:39 GMT 9
That is awesome. I have to send that to my old friend: Capt. Olson U.S. Army Retired
In the photo he is on the right.
He pushed the Germans across Germany. Then faught the Reds in Korea. He was a young private when the attack on Pearl Harbor happened. Battlefield Commission in WWII. This January he will be 90 years old.
:salute :us_flag
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Post by LBer1568 on Oct 8, 2011 8:31:53 GMT 9
You're a 19 year old kid. You're critically wounded and dying in the jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam .
It's November 11, 1967. LZ (landing zone) X-ray. Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense from 100 yards away, that your CO (commanding officer) has ordered the MedEvac helicopters to stop coming in.
You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you know you're not getting out.
Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll never see them again.
As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day. Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter.
You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn't seem real because no MedEvac markings are on it.
Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you.
He's not MedEvac so it's not his job, but he heard the radio call and decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire anyway.
Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come. He's coming anyway.
And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 3 of you at a time on board.
Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors and nurses and safety.
And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and left arm.
He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not have made it without the Captain and his Huey.
Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise , Idaho
May God Bless and Rest His Soul.
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Post by Mark O on Oct 8, 2011 11:01:02 GMT 9
You're a 19 year old kid. You're critically wounded and dying in the jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam . It's November 11, 1967. LZ (landing zone) X-ray. Correction sir - 1965. What an amazing story. When the movie came out I just had to go get the book. I know we've discussed this before, but that was one of the most accurate movies I've ever seen. www.lzxray.com/Mark
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Post by Jim on Aug 19, 2013 11:51:59 GMT 9
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Aug 19, 2013 13:10:21 GMT 9
For whatever wrong reasons which were uses, Blacks were discriminated against in WW2, and other wars, and many deserving men have been relegated to some forgotten file in the Puzzle Palace, with the hopes that no one will ever find it.
The 11 men who were killed by the Germans at Wereth, Belgium should all be awarded Purple Hearts, not just some of them.
The story Jim posted was from 2006, and the monuments in Belgium and Massachusetts have been dedicated.
What strikes me as odd is the inaction of our national Race Baiters.
They seem to be able to find something wrong with everything someone does that can be perceived as "Racism", or invent "Racist" events, like the Zimmerman trial, but they can't seem to find the time to look in to "Racism" in the Military, or Government, and seek redress.
Why hasn't Spike Lee made a movie about the incident?
Past history?
Nah, those men were in the military, and not slaves, owned by some "evil white man".
Something is very wrong with that.
Racism Stinks, no matter the races involved.
If you peel the skin off of people, they all look the same underneath.
There are, and have been, many brave warriours in our Military of every Race, yet "Racism" still exists.
In some cases it is not the "standard" "Racism", but other Races being "Racist" against Whites of non Latin descent.
As I said; "Racism Stinks", and those who practice it, no matter who, or what position or rank, should be punished.
Jim Too
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Post by Jim on Aug 20, 2013 13:02:10 GMT 9
You know, you hear about jail sentences being shortened and in some cases, even commuted, all in the name of overcrowding of prisons, you even hear figures about what it costs to keep one terrorist at Gitmo-800,000 per year (Fox News today)..... Nobody tells what this costs...... worriersanonymous.org/Share/Mansions.htm
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Aug 20, 2013 13:16:27 GMT 9
AMEN.
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Post by Jim on Aug 24, 2013 2:22:25 GMT 9
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Post by Jim on Oct 19, 2013 3:37:48 GMT 9
How F ing disgusting, but to be expected................. From Flypapa Wanta get really pissed off ....... JPAC Admits to Phony Ceremonies Honoring Remains Oct 10, 2013 source: www.stripes.com/jpac-admits-to-phony-ceremonies-honoring-returning-remains-1.246322An honor detail comprised of joint military members prepares to escort the remains of fallen servicemembers who died during World War II and the Vietnam War during an arrival ceremony April 26, 2013. WASHINGTON -- The Department of Defense unit charged with recovering servicemembers' remains abroad has been holding phony "arrival ceremonies" for seven years, with an honor guard carrying flag-draped coffins off of a cargo plane as though they held the remains returning that day from old battlefields. The Pentagon acknowledged Wednesday that no honored dead were in fact arriving, and that the planes used in the ceremonies often couldn't even fly, and were towed into position. The story was first reported on nbcnews.com. The ceremonies at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Hawaii are held up as a sign of the nation's commitment to its fallen warriors. They have been attended by veterans and families of MIAs, led to believe that they were witnessing the return of Americans killed in World War II, Vietnam and Korea. In a statement sent to NBC News, the Pentagon wrote: "Part of the ceremony involves symbolically transferring the recovered remains from an aircraft to a vehicle for follow-on transportation to the lab. Many times, static aircraft are used for the ceremonies, as operational requirements dictate flight schedules and aircraft availability. This transfer symbolizes the arrival of our fallen servicemembers. "It is important to note that recovered remains ceremoniously transferred from the aircraft to the [bus] have been in the lab undergoing forensic analysis to determine identity. When remains first arrive in Hawaii, JPAC cannot confirm if the remains are those of an American servicemember." NBC writes that the ceremonies have been known among some of the military and civilian staff at the base as The Big Lie. The Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command, or JPAC, has come under intense scrutiny in recent months after two scathing reports were released this summer. In July, The Associated Press ran a story exposing a 2012 internal JPAC report that found the agency to be "acutely dysfunctional" with some missions that amounted to little more than paid vacations for staffers. A second investigation released weeks later by the Government Accountability Office found that Pentagon efforts to account for fallen troops missing overseas were inefficient and in need of overhaul, according to congressional sources. In 2010, lawmakers mandated JPAC to reach an annual goal of recovering at least 200 fallen troops from overseas battlefields by 2015, but it had failed to build the capacity to do so, the GAO found. Currently the Hawaii-based command averages less than 70 individuals per year. Much of the inefficiency found by the GAO researchers comes down to a turf war between JPAC and the Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office, which shares some of the same responsibilities, Congressional sources said. The show According to the NBC report, here's what the audience was shown: A C-17 military transport aircraft was parked, its ramp down, outside a hangar at the base. After generals and dignitaries were introduced, a military chaplain said a prayer, the audience sang "The Star-Spangled Banner," and "Taps" was played. Then an honor guard carried flag-draped transfer cases, which look like coffins, down the ramp and placed them in the back of blue buses, which were driven away. The emcee thanked the audience for "welcoming them home." The script continued, "After removal from the aircraft, the remains will be taken to the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command's Central Identification Laboratory. There, JPAC scientists will begin the identification process." Citing eyewitnesses and photographs taken behind the scenes, NBC wrote that what actually happened is very different: Before 6 a.m., the honor guard assembled behind the JPAC headquarters on the base. They loaded transfer cases onto the buses and drove to the hangar. The honor guard loaded the transfer cases into the pre-positioned C-17, then rehearsed for the ceremony. They then returned to the plane, and waited. The public was allowed in for the 9 a.m. ceremony: invited politicians, media, families of the missing and veterans. Employees from JPAC were bused over to fill out the crowd. Then the show began, with tears and salutes as the remains were marched to the buses, then driven off to the lab to "begin the identification process." Jesse Baker, an 81-year-old Air Force veteran of World War II and Korea living in Honolulu, told NBC News that he has been to more than 50 of these ceremonies. He said he's always been under the impression that the plane had just arrived carrying recovered remains. Baker tried to make sense of why the DOD would work so hard to trick him and other veterans. "That's disturbing. I don't know when they stopped being honest and switched over to this Mickey Mouse, but whoever did it, I hope they find him a new job somewhere."
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Post by pat perry on Oct 19, 2013 7:55:50 GMT 9
Hmmmmm... This is what happens when you have to put on a "show" to justify your budget and existence as an organization.
Kind of like the Congress.
Pat P.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Oct 19, 2013 8:51:54 GMT 9
SHAME ON THEM.
Disgusting is only a starting word for how I feel about this.
But, I won't add more, as I don't want to make myself begin to say words I shouldn't, and to blubber for those who have been so cruelly deceived.
SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.
Jim Too
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Post by LBer1568 on Oct 19, 2013 22:51:20 GMT 9
Concur 100% with your comments. After reading the article,, I have a question. How do they handle the arrival of the actual remains? Do they hold a ceremony or just grab a forklift and offload containers? Just more of the same from Obama Administration, I wonder when this shame originated? Lorin
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Post by Tom Dlugosh on Oct 20, 2013 1:12:29 GMT 9
This is unbelievable! It would almost seem better not to have any ceremony, until a funeral, than this.
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Post by Gene on Oct 20, 2013 13:10:37 GMT 9
iv only dealt with H R twice in the 31 years with aps. they were not remains of fallen soldiers from war. they were simply dead people. we handled the containers carefully and with no jokes or kidding around. they were loaded last head toward the front of the a/c and tied down with 5000lbs. straps. we delievered them to the a/c via stakebed truck from the walkin freezer.
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Post by LBer1568 on Oct 21, 2013 1:17:54 GMT 9
Were you at McChord when the C-130s were used to bring back the dead Jonestown people. The body's were in rubber/plastic body bags when transported, but the smell was terrible for a long time. They steam cleaned them many times, but the juices were all down in tie down receptacles and rails. I made an escort flight to Lubbock TX when my roommate was killed in car accident. I was charged with making sure casket was loaded properly. The airlines did a great job, and displayed respect to remains as well. Lorin
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Post by Gene on Oct 21, 2013 3:40:47 GMT 9
I was at tcm then. I was going to go to Jonestown because they used the cct as a perimeter guard while extracting the remains. I know a pilot who flew 141's in support of that mission...he said the same thing...just before we were supposed to go, I got sent elsewhere on a higher priority.
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Post by Jim on Jan 11, 2014 1:53:37 GMT 9
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Post by pat perry on Jan 24, 2014 13:58:00 GMT 9
From Joe Sylvia - Pat P. This is incredible! The heart of the American people, represented by a cellular company, who would have ever thought it would be like this and not our own government making this kind of thing happen across the country? Wow! Middle East Memorial WallI had no idea this was in existence . How many of you have ever seen or heard anything about this beautiful Memorial??? God Bless America!!! We can do things like this without the Government getting involved. Please send this on to all your friends especially Veterans and ask them if they knew about it. My hat is off to all the Motorcycle Jockeys that had a hand in bringing this to our attention. www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=WEPBQGu74oo&feature=player_embeddedI remember seeing a video about this some time ago but this is a better video. Pat P.
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