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Post by pat perry on Apr 28, 2018 23:07:13 GMT 9
Well, here is another 6 clock that will be on its way to a SIX Saver......
Nice touch adding the thermometer!
Pat P.
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Post by Jim on Apr 13, 2019 0:38:17 GMT 9
Picture taken last week of the F-106A at the Pima Air Museum.
I say it needs quite a bit of work ASAP !
Now look at this British bird that is clean and shines.
Would be curious as to when they got the Brit vs the Six.... Perhaps WP can tell when they got the SIX. I know that they have had it at least 20 years. Be interesting as to how and when they got the Brit. Perhaps even more interesting is "Why do they have the Brit in the first place? Who owns the Brit?" I can understand the MIGs, I think.....
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Post by Jim on Apr 3, 2020 14:38:08 GMT 9
Hey, Pat Perry, remember these???And of course this.....
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Post by pat perry on Apr 4, 2020 0:16:43 GMT 9
Jim, I sure do remember them! All masterpieces and handwritten personalizations by you... The Clock Master! Thanks, Pat P.
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Post by oswald on Jun 12, 2020 6:06:07 GMT 9
Gary, I noticed the C-124 Globemaster at the bottom inside the McChord Air Museum patch. old shakey
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Post by Jim on Jun 12, 2020 6:44:22 GMT 9
Milestone this year. This year it has been twenty-five years since I retired from the U.S. Air Force. Had to believe. Spent 20 of those years working & supervising jet engine work, did 3 years as squadron maintenance supervisor, and my last 2 years as the administrator & director of the base air museum. Enjoyed every day of those 24 years, even the days that had some troubles. Pictures are of the retirement and the party in July. And these guys are GIs? We learned better than that at grade school,,,,,,,
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Post by Bullhunter on Jun 12, 2020 8:55:44 GMT 9
Milestone this year. This year it has been twenty-five years since I retired from the U.S. Air Force. Had to believe. Spent 20 of those years working & supervising jet engine work, did 3 years as squadron maintenance supervisor, and my last 2 years as the administrator & director of the base air museum. Enjoyed every day of those 24 years, even the days that had some troubles. Pictures are of the retirement and the party in July. And these guys are GIs? We learned better than that at grade school,,,,,,, Boy aren't we are critical. They are old retired USAF and museum volunteers. With out volunteers museums couldn't function.
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Post by Jim on Jun 12, 2020 11:01:57 GMT 9
And these guys are GIs? We learned better than that at grade school,,,,,,, Boy aren't we are critical. They are old retired USAF and museum volunteers. With out volunteers museums couldn't function. Was talking about the unusual salutes at raising the flag. Gary, you would be the first to climb all over me if I would have displayed such lack of Flag protocol..........
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Post by LBer1568 on Jun 13, 2020 0:17:53 GMT 9
Gary, I agree with Jim. If someone wants to display a picture of a flag raising/lowering ceremony, at least the veterans present should follow proper protocol. I live a short distance from WPAFB. This time of the year we sleep with the windows open. This morning at 0730 I was awakened to the sound of reveille. Wind and weather conditions were just right to hear it loud and clear. But I rolled over and went back to sleep.
Many days at 5PM we hear Flag lowering music same way. If I am outside when it plays I stop, face the music and salute. I have had neighbors see me and join in. I have also seen neighbors ignore it. If I am on base when it plays I stop car and get out and salute. I believe driver is only one "required" to exit. Other sit at attention and remain quiet. But on base at 5PM I have seen many service members in uniform duck inside neighboring building to ignore it. I have mentioned it on occasion to the ones VIOLATING Flag Protocol. I guess it's years of being proud of being who I am. lol Lorin
PS, Time for me to go mow lawn.
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Post by Jim on Jun 13, 2020 2:19:17 GMT 9
Gary, I agree with Jim. If someone wants to display a picture of a flag raising/lowering ceremony, at least the veterans present should follow proper protocol. I live a short distance from WPAFB. This time of the year we sleep with the windows open. This morning at 0730 I was awakened to the sound of reveille. Wind and weather conditions were just right to hear it loud and clear. But I rolled over and went back to sleep. Many days at 5PM we hear Flag lowering music same way. If I am outside when it plays I stop, face the music and salute. I have had neighbors see me and join in. I have also seen neighbors ignore it. If I am on base when it plays I stop car and get out and salute. I believe driver is only one "required" to exit. Other sit at attention and remain quiet. But on base at 5PM I have seen many service members in uniform duck inside neighboring building to ignore it. I have mentioned it on occasion to the ones VIOLATING Flag Protocol. I guess it's years of being proud of being who I am. lol Lorin PS, Time for me to go mow lawn. Thought you were going to write your memoirs? I use to go over to the BX or base gas station a few minutes before the bugle sounded and see them go into the BX or get back in their car. After the last note I would wait for them to come out of the BX or get out of their car to pump gas and I would ask them just one question: "Do you know what you just told me?" Answer; "No ,what?" "You just told me 'Hell, its just a damn flag". And the Obamas thought they originated that phrase. The worst violators? Senior Airmen and 2nd Lts. I wasn't kind to the lieutenants.
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Post by Bullhunter on Mar 28, 2021 2:05:07 GMT 9
This is a story of saving and restoring a F-86D the the McChord Air Museum did when I was the Administrator/Director for 3 1/2 years before I retired. Pictures did not copy so I added some. This story is just one of many copied out of my book (copyright 2009). Want a copy message me.
F-86D:
One of my biggest challenges during my assignment to the McChord Air Museum was securing the Korean era F-86D Saber Jet. I had heard rumors about an F-86 jet that had been donated to the museum several years before and I wondered why we had not recovered it.
I inquired with the Base Wing Historian about the said jet and all I was told was that we could not get it because it was tangled up in legal issues. At that time oversight of the museum fell to the Base Historian and I was the Museum Administrator. So I put that
F-86D into the back of my mind. Someday I’d get it.
About a year passed and the Base Historian had been reassigned to an air base in California. The new Base Historian showed up several months later and her duties did not include the Air Museum. It seemed that it was all my responsibility and I reported directly to the Wing Commander and his Director of Staff (DOS).
I requested an update to my duty title reflecting my new responsibilities, and it was changed to Museum Director/Administrator.
Not long after this a man stopped by the museum and wanted to have a talk with the director so we discussed his situation and problem.
It was a big problem – the type that the U.S. Internal Revenue Services (IRS) lays on you, that keeps you awake at night. The individual who donated that F-86D jet to the museum had taken a $60,000 donation credit on his income tax a few years back. Now he was being audited by the IRS and was facing big fines, penalties, and possible jail for fraud.
I asked him for all documents that proved he had legally donated the jet aircraft to the museum and he produced all the correct papers and documents.
“This is all well and good, but what about the rumored legal problems?” I said. He went on to explain that he purchased several jets overseas very cheaply and then imported them to the United States. This one was delivered to a small airfield in northwest Washington State. He had a partner that assembled the jet back to its flying condition. The story was that his partner assembled the aircraft as payment for another project, that the partner had turned around and screwed him by filing a mechanics lean on the aircraft. He also said that his partner was currently in prison for fraud and told me his name and where.
It was because of the mechanic’s lean that the old base historian would not recover the aircraft after it was donated. Understandable!
The gentleman told me that if the F-86’s donation did not get completed, and that he couldn’t show that the jet was at the museum, then he was in very serious trouble with the IRS. I told him I’d look into it, but gave no promises that the museum could help or solve this IRS problem for him. I then took of all the documents and papers, made copies for the museum and we exchanged business cards, so we could keep each other informed.
I took all the documents and papers over to the Base Legal Office or what is called the Staff Judge Advocates Office. I spoke with the officer in charge and requested to work with a lawyer who was well versed in Washington State Law and legal matters. He said that he had an Air Force Reserve Major who had a law practice in the state and he could handle this case for the U.S. Air Force.
I handed over all the documents and paperwork to the Major, with complete details of everything that went on pertaining to this F-86 jet aircraft.
Within a week I met with the Major and he informed me that the mechanic’s lean was filed improperly and not within the time limit. His legal expertise said, “The lean was null and void, that the jet aircraft had been legally and properly donated to the McChord Air Museum, and if the museum wanted the aircraft - it was ours for the taking.”
Ours for the taking! How sweet those words sounded!
I contacted the gentleman that donated the F-86 and informed him what the legal office had said. He was full of joy! He then asked me when I thought I would have the aircraft moved to the base. I informed him I was working on a plan to recover the aircraft, but I could not give him a date. I suggested that he provide the IRS with my name and phone number if he had trouble, then I would brief the IRS on what was going on with our recovery operations with the aircraft.
I had quickly realized that untangling the legal problems was likely the easy part of this operation. Lots of time, research, phone calls, and begging for assistance were now in play. Through the Base Transportation Squadron I was able to get the assistance of two flatbed tractor-trailers, two drivers, and two trainee drivers. The Aerospace Ground Equipment shop supplied us with an air compressor, generator, and light cart. The museum had all the tools needed for the disassembly of the F-86 jet and a USAF Retired volunteer that had worked on F-86 aircraft was going with us. I also had two volunteer airmen from the maintenance squadron. All we needed was a crane to lift the aircraft and wings onto the two flatbed trucks.
After many calls I was put in contact with a Sergeant in the Army National Guard near Everett, WA. They had a few vehicles called tank recovery vehicles, and they had an extended boom crane on the tank recovery vehicle. If it could pick a tank out of a ditch, it
could surely pick up the aircraft fuselage and wings. A date was set for our recovery mission to Arlington Airport, in northwest WA about 90 miles from the base.
We arrived about 0800 hrs (8:00AM) and met with the Army National Guard Tank Recovery Vehicle and operator. The aircraft was parked on grass with plates under the landing gear wheels to prevent it from sinking into the grass and dirt. I decided we would relocate the jet to the airports inactive taxiway and do our work there on cement. This turned out to be a good idea as the wife of the guy who was in prison and had filed the mechanic’s lean, showed up and started yelling at us. “That’s our aircraft, we own it, and it was stored on private property and you owe us $8,000 in storage!”
After hearing this several times and fearing she might draw a crowd I decided to give her something to think about. I was a Master Sergeant and had no legal authority to speak for the U.S. Air Force, but I needed to quiet the situation.
I noticed the aircraft had acquired extensive damage. Screwdriver holes punched into the aircraft skin, panels removed & stolen, cockpit canopy busted, many aircraft instruments gone, lights missing, etc, etc…….! I was a little upset as this aircraft was said to be in almost flyable condition when donated to the museum.
I went up to the lady and politely introduced myself and explained that, “This aircraft was legally donated to the United States Air Force Museum at McChord Air Force Base, Washington State.”
She countered, “There is a mechanic’s lean against the aircraft for $20,000 plus storage filed by my husband at the county courthouse.”
I calmly replied, “The mechanic’s lean is null and void as it was not filed within time limits, and I know your husband is in prison on fraud charges.”
She again demanded money. I asked her what she thought a flyable F-86 Jet Aircraft was worth. She did not have a clue. I suggested, “It’s likely more than a few hundred thousand dollars. I suggested to her that she could demand and file a claim for her $28,000 but the government might want to be compensated for the damages and loss of a highly valuable historical aircraft in flyable condition that was under her care, and she should have provided proper security. Not to mention that another case of fraud could be looked into with this bogus mechanic’s lean that had prevented the timely recovery of the aircraft contributing to the aircraft’s severe vandalism and damage.
She pondered what I said for a few moments then turned around and went back inside the building she came out of.
Several volunteer’s asked me, “What did you say to shut her up,” and I replied, “You won’t believe it.” I then said, “Lets finish this recovery and get out of this darn airport with the aircraft, and I’ll tell everyone about it later.”
Just before we drove off with the aircraft fuselage we put a mannequin in the cockpit with flight jacked, flight helmet, oxygen mask, flight gloves, and we tied up his hand with fishing line to make it look like he was waving. I taped two signs on each side of the aircraft that read, (Recovered by McChord Air Museum). When we drove down interstate-5 it was a kick to see all the kids waving and pointing at the pilot inside the cockpit.
The aircraft disassembly took most of the day. I believe we delivered the F-86 jet to the base museum about 8:00PM.
As quickly as the F-86D was received by the McChord Air Museum, quick plans, and a volunteer restoration crew was put into action.
The aircraft was in pretty bad shape from sitting outside for years. Vandalism and theft also took its toll. But the museum had very experienced volunteers. Several of the volunteers had worked on F-86’s during their U.S. Air Force careers. My kids also put in some hours helping the crew restore the aircraft, an excellent education, experience, and great hands on history lesson for them.
In order to complete the restoration, the aircraft had to be disassembled as far as possible. The tail section was removed, cockpit canopy, access panels, lights, flight controls, and the radar nose dome.
The canopy was crated and shipped to California to get a new plexi-glass canopy made and installed into the cockpit canopy frame. The whole aircraft was sanded, stripped, primed, and repainted in historical markings.
There were between 3 to 8 individuals working on the aircraft almost full time for several months. There were also projects completed by individuals in several of the base aircraft maintenance shops. Many access panels, wing root boots, landing gear doors, and the radar dome, either needed major repairs, or complete reproduction. Hours were spent making templates for items that needed to be reproduced from scratch. Aircraft technical drawings and missing parts were hard to locate. I would venture to estimate that maybe 2 or 3 thousand man-hours or more went into this aircraft restoration project.
The whole restoration project was completed in time for a base reunion of an old fighter squadron that operated F-86D’s out of an Air Force Base in eastern Washington State.
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Post by pat perry on Mar 28, 2021 9:13:51 GMT 9
Does anyone know if the F-106 at Pima we saw during the 2019 Reunion ever got the attention it needed?
Gary, Great story on the F-86D recovery!
The Pima F-106 59-0003 is in the restoration area last I heard. Haven't seen any pics of it since then. After our reunion at Tucson, Bobski contacted them and wanted to donate some money for the restoration. They would not take any donations for specific aircraft projects so Bobski said fine, we'll donate to another museum that has an F-106.
After the Reunion, the Old Sarge wrote Pima Museum and A$$ ripper letter about the F-106 that was wasting away on their grounds. The next thing I heard was that the Pima F-106 was headed to the restoration hangar. I have not seen any recent news or pictures on the progress but at least they are working on it. Whatever it looks like when it's done will probably appear on FaceBook on the Convair F-106 Delta Dart page or the Pima Air Museum page. I don't think the Pima Museum folks realized that they had over 200 F-106ers there who were allowed to get off the bus at AMARG and visit with their favorite airplane. And they sure as Hell didn't realize that the Old Sarge would write them a letter about it!
I don't know what she will look like but it will probably look something like this when she's back on display.
f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/picture.php?/1756/search/2709
Will let you know when I hear something. Pat P.
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Post by pat perry on Mar 29, 2021 4:32:26 GMT 9
Does anyone know if the F-106 at Pima we saw during the 2019 Reunion ever got the attention it needed?
Gary, Great story on the F-86D recovery!
The Pima F-106 59-0003 is in the restoration area last I heard. Haven't seen any pics of it since then. After our reunion at Tucson, Bobski contacted them and wanted to donate some money for the restoration. They would not take any donations for specific aircraft projects so Bobski said fine, we'll donate to another museum that has an F-106.
After the Reunion, the Old Sarge wrote Pima Museum and A$$ ripper letter about the F-106 that was wasting away on their grounds. The next thing I heard was that the Pima F-106 was headed to the restoration hangar. I have not seen any recent news or pictures on the progress but at least they are working on it. Whatever it looks like when it's done will probably appear on FaceBook on the Convair F-106 Delta Dart page or the Pima Air Museum page. I don't think the Pima Museum folks realized that they had over 200 F-106ers there who were allowed to get off the bus at AMARG and visit with their favorite airplane. And they sure as Hell didn't realize that the Old Sarge would write them a letter about it!
I don't know what she will look like but it will probably look something like this when she's back on display.
f-106deltadart.com/piwigo/picture.php?/1756/search/2709
Will let you know when I hear something. Pat P.
Gary, I tagged you in FaceBook to a post about the status of the Pima F-106. Pat P.
Scott Manning Convair F-106 Delta Dart
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The current state of Balls three,59-0003,at Pima.
It's scheduled to be repainted in the markings of the 5th FIS.
My photo from March 2021.
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Post by LBer1568 on Apr 18, 2021 7:54:58 GMT 9
www.fairborndailyherald.com/news/46795/d-day-plane-touches-down-at-nmusafI plan on watching the landing if weather permits. The runway at Museum has no lighting, nor any Nav features. So it will be like back in WWII days for pilots bringing plane in for Display. I have watched many planes fly into Airport. Probably the best was seeing a B-1 fly in low and slow and used up almost all of runway. For that day they brought a portable ILS system in for the day. Pilot made three touch and goes before finally touching down. He needed to get the feel of the approach and landing since the runway is so short. Lorin
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Post by Jim on Apr 18, 2021 10:04:46 GMT 9
www.fairborndailyherald.com/news/46795/d-day-plane-touches-down-at-nmusafI plan on watching the landing if weather permits. The runway at Museum has no lighting, nor any Nav features. So it will be like back in WWII days for pilots bringing plane in for Display. I have watched many planes fly into Airport. Probably the best was seeing a B-1 fly in low and slow and used up almost all of runway. For that day they brought a portable ILS system in for the day. Pilot made three touch and goes before finally touching down. He needed to get the feel of the approach and landing since the runway is so short. Lorin i have about 300.00 bucks in this one......
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