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Post by shadowgunner on Sept 10, 2011 14:26:52 GMT 9
Anyone in the forum have age maint experience on mj-1 jammers? Ours suddenly stopped running. It is a -1A with a German diesel engine. I it stumbles and quits just like a clogged fuel filter. We changed it,still won't run.
Thanks for any help
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Post by jimpadgett on Sept 10, 2011 22:01:54 GMT 9
AGE Puke here. Never saw one (MJ-1/A) with a diesel, but would suggest water in the fuel, clogged injector(s), or fuel starvation. If it had run out of fuel the injector(s) would have to be bled.
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Post by Lee Nellist on Sept 11, 2011 6:38:19 GMT 9
Kind of interesting. In the pictures of 106's on the blog is a picture of 56-0461 in the background and he points out it is here now on display.
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Post by Lee Nellist on Sept 11, 2011 6:39:28 GMT 9
Replied to the wrong one. Senior moment.
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Post by shadowgunner on Sept 11, 2011 8:26:29 GMT 9
thanks Jim. When I get back to the Museum, I'll have to look at it again. I was driving it and I checked the fuel tank; fuel was about an inch above the port in the tank bottom. I saw full fuel in the separator bowl and the electric pump spooled up when it switched it on. When we changed the filter, the filter canister was also full of fuel.
Based on your suggestions, I'll bet that it got an air pocket in the fuel line, since I was bouncing around on terrain. I remember now that I used to have a similar problem with my diesel Peugots. They would loose injector prime If I was low or out of fuel (they used a Bosch mechanical injection system).
Unfortunatley we don't have a -1 TO on the jammer. Will have to fake it.
As a parting comment, you may be an "AGE PUKE" but without the AGE working well, us knuckle-draggers couldn't get the weapons loaded safely!
You were an often maligned and ignored group; but absolutely essential to mission effectiveness :salute
I sure wish you were here right now!
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Post by Jim on Sept 11, 2011 10:35:05 GMT 9
thanks Jim. When I get back to the Museum, I'll have to look at it again. I was driving it and I checked the fuel tank; fuel was about an inch above the port in the tank bottom. I saw full fuel in the separator bowl and the electric pump spooled up when it switched it on. When we changed the filter, the filter canister was also full of fuel. Based on your suggestions, I'll bet that it got an air pocket in the fuel line, since I was bouncing around on terrain. I remember now that I used to have a similar problem with my diesel Peugots. They would loose injector prime If I was low or out of fuel (they used a Bosch mechanical injection system). Unfortunatley we don't have a -1 TO on the jammer. Will have to fake it. As a parting comment, you may be an "AGE PUKE" but without the AGE working well, us knuckle-draggers couldn't get the weapons loaded safely! You were an often maligned and ignored group; but absolutely essential to mission effectiveness I sure wish you were here right now! Thanks, Shadowgunner, There were many times when I had to defend a mistreated Ground Power Technician from my fellow tire kickers who thought the flight line was their hallowed ground... The vast majority of their equipment required tremendous amount of skill to keep it operating...Never liked the word PUKE, always thought that Weenie might be more appropriate, but MA-1 would get mad when I misused their special title.... A tip o' me foine fatique cap to ye Jim
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Post by jimpadgett on Sept 11, 2011 22:59:15 GMT 9
Thanks, Jim and Shadowgunner. Ground Power used to grate on a lot of AGE types, but it was better than some things we were called. Name changed from Aircraft and Missile Ground Support Equipment Repairman to Aerospace Ground Ground Equipment Repairman while I was in tech school at Chanute in 1961-62. Always thought the "Aerospace" was presumptious. The equipment with the F-106 was considerably more complex than with other aircraft. We even had a "Z" shredout for awhile, which MPC ignored.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 1:31:25 GMT 9
I was just an instrument repairmen, flight line geek, and I enjoy what your talking about. But most of it to me is techno babble.
I wish I understood your language, fellow earthmen.
LOL.
Thanks to all of you for your service and your functionality.
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Sept 13, 2011 21:41:39 GMT 9
Jim If I remember correctly it was AGE Weenes and MA-1 Scope Dopes and Hdy Bubble Chaser and Electrican Spark Chaser and Armament B B Stacker,Muzzle F###er or load toads and last the ones who thought they were gods the Tire Kicker or Ramp Tramps. They really got bad when POMO came in.
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Post by Jim Scanlon (deceased) on Sept 13, 2011 22:19:32 GMT 9
There was also the term "Bug Wipers" used for crew chiefs. In the days of props and the early jets, it was more appropriate. Although, I'm sure it could easily apply to Herky guys. We were also called "Ramp Rats" and "Nose Pickers". E-4, radar guys, were called "Scope Dopes". When at The SCAB and The Goose, I don't remember any special name for the AGE guys, they were just the "AGE Guys". Jim Too
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Post by Jim on Sept 14, 2011 1:09:39 GMT 9
Jim If I remember correctly it was AGE Weenes and MA-1 Scope Dopes and Hdy Bubble Chaser and Electrican Spark Chaser and Armament B B Stacker,Muzzle F###er or load toads and last the ones who thought they were gods the Tire Kicker or Ramp Tramps. They really got bad when POMO came in. Bear Thank God I was someplace else when POMO, whatever it was came about..... Was it part of ADC or that other command?? I remember SAC and their ridiculous program called PRIDE.. The tire kickers knew they weren't gods, just his right hand troops..... I was gone from ADC when they began to assign other specialists (MA-1) to the a/c... Without all of the specialists (after the 50s), all the c/c had was an expensive static display.... Until the late 50s most crewchiefs did everything on their plane- yes, I R&R my share of ARC-27s, replaced barrels on my Browning .50s, boresighted same, replaced fuel controls, cells and tanks, replaced most hyd components.... There was no such thing as egress, nor was there a tire shop, so you know who did the canopy and seat removals, replaced tires while your bird was airborn, most of the time we even repacked our own droque chutes..... About the only time you saw a specialist was when your bird was in major or minor PE Insp- and no the engine shop didn't pull the engine, the crewchief/dock crew did...Most of the time the c/c became the asst dock chief.... The Ftr Bmber Sqdn I was in had 5 AGE (ground power) techs- a TSgt,SSgt and A/1c and perhaps a couple of A/2c. Armamnet had maybe 8-10 people, mostly bomb assemblers, gun action repair people.. Radio shop had maybe 3 people, inst. about the same, engine shop had maybe 10, hyd and sheet metal maybe had 3 each... We had 25 F-86s and 2 T-33s... OBTW, I also linked and color dipped my own ammo as well as cleaned my guns after the last flight of the day before I got to leave... When I came into ADC in '56 it wasn't that much different... When I left the AF in 77, I was at ATC FlyTrng with T-38s and T-37s and the crew chief as such, no longer existed..... He was assigned a plane in the AM and he serviced LOX, engine oil, refueled the a/c and cleaned the canopy and windshield. He also changed wheels(with the tires already mounted) and changed brakes... The taxi check was done by an IP, most engine runs were done by the flight chief or an engine troop...... Use to be that a good crew chief generally had his bird preflighted before roll call (oh yes we stood roll call) and at the end of the day, in most cases some one had to call the mess hall that some troops would be late- they held chow for us- military people run the mess hall......In late '55 I had to compete against cooks, APs (Air Police if you are PC) firemen and carpenters from civil engineering for SSgt. We had a quota of seven for an entire ftr bmber wing because the RIF that was going to hit full force in '57 had already started..... So, some of OLDer c/c had earned the right to be a bit cocky, not arrogant, mind you, but cocky to say the least.... BTW the guys in Base Flight changed their own engines and props on the Gooney, L-20 Beavers, and on the T-6......... We were our own specialists in those days.... About todays c/c, I haven't the foggiest.... But am thankful that all of the specialists eventually evolved into todays Craftsman, as the AF Times called them...
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Sept 14, 2011 11:33:13 GMT 9
Jim I think POMO started in 79. We were TDY to Tyndall and they had fuel troop running the Mechenics and I had the Avionics troops. We helped launch aircraft ie close panels kick chauks ect. The fuel yelled at my guys about not helping enough during a launch, so when the planes landed, the Avionics troop sat on thier butts and planes taxied inand no one to meet them. Some people very pissed. During the next week the 431 learn how to launch and recover without much help. A couple months later we went to Nellis and the Head night shift thought the CC should set in the shop and pull forms and have speclist do the work that CC would do that ended after the second nite. POMO was great for a CC lousey for any speclist.
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Post by shadowgunner on Sept 14, 2011 13:36:58 GMT 9
:thanks :salute
Thanks to all for the assistance.
I was able to get the jammer running today. Wound up topping up the fuel and bleeding the fuel system from filter inlet all the way out to injector return line. She fought me most of the day; but eventually I got all the air bubbles out of the system. Voila!! Something I never learned as a weapons guy. Ahh the pleasures of volunteer work.
Thanks again to all for the help.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 22:48:31 GMT 9
dont be a stranger, ya hear!!
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Post by lindel on Sept 15, 2011 2:48:24 GMT 9
Didn't POMO come around the same time as "ADTAC" happened?
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Post by LBer1568 on Sept 16, 2011 0:55:23 GMT 9
When I was first assigned to MA-1 shop at McGuire 539th, CC was able to do most everything a CC was supposed to do. MA-1 did all electronics, instruments, AutoPilot RADAR ,Computers, Armament, except door operation etc. As VietNam wound up we lost experienced CC and started getting a bunch of 3-levels and very few experienced CC to train them. Thats when MA-1 guys started getting run up and taxi licenses. As most old timers remember 90% of engine runs were for MA-1 checkout on A/C power. MA-1 also became loaders since most experienced loaders went to same vacation spot...VietNam. So MA-1 was stateside only (until Korea) and were charged with more and more responsibility. I did run up, no taxi and loaded MSR and WSM load-unload. Engine shop changed generators after MA-1 disconnected wires then reconnected. Never figured out what electic shop was supposed to do. Then around 1965 we started getting real AutoPilot guys to do Aircraft trim and set up flight controls. We also got some good mods to reduce the workload of MA-1. The old tube-type Computer was a nightmare. Also got the self contained IR System so CC didn't have to load nitrogen. Then they replaced TACAN/UHF systems helped a lot. But MA-1 still required hours of fix after most flights. I remember working almost all B-Models at Tyndall. Also mostly Round-eyes. (non-Vertical Instrument Birds). I had been MA-1 CC for B-Models at McGuire. I wasn't around Sixes when POMO came out. I had transferred to Flight Simulation by then.
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Post by biendhoa on Sept 16, 2011 3:19:59 GMT 9
What may I ask is POMO? I retired in 1976 and never heard of it. I was stationed at tyndal from august 1959 thru dec 1968 one year out for viet nam.All I ever seen of MA-1 was a bunch of over paid (pro pay)guys sitting around in a blue step van playing cards. They did not do any other maint other than mock up that i know of. :salute :
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Post by bear (Deceased) on Sept 16, 2011 4:41:36 GMT 9
I think POMO Production Organination Maintance Operation. The ojective was to get all the spelist to be able to do everyone else job, but at KI it's seemed like the objective was to get everyone qualified to be a CC. Before POMO came we helped with launch and recovery, after POMO we did launch and recovery. In the 60's there were probaly 60 to 70 people in a MA-1 shop in 80 there 45 MA-1,Inst,and CN&L troops on the flt line for 20 6's and 3 T-33 -1 for debriefing,-1 for toolcrib,-1Maint Control so when you split that into 3 shifts and then you pull some CC duty.
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Post by LBer1568 on Sept 16, 2011 5:42:43 GMT 9
Production Oriented Maintenance Organization (POMO)
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Post by Jim on Sept 16, 2011 6:50:12 GMT 9
Production Oriented Maintenance Organization (POMO) what in hell kind of garbage was this and who thought it up?
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